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LeafPowerIsIxE
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Replacement Lizard battery Drops a bar After 9,000 Miles

Mon May 25, 2020 6:12 pm

At 13,000 miles, 2015, I had to replace my original tires (Nissan). At 17,000 miles, 2017, down 3 bars, I replaced the traction battery ($6300 - Nissan). At 24,000 miles, 2019, I replaced the tires - again (Discount Tire).

Last week, at 26,000 miles, I just dropped the first bar on the new battery.

I spoke to the service manager at Nissan. Of course he immediately cited my 9 year old vehicle. I begged to differ, as I replaced the "engine" in this vehicle, and it was the "engine" that is failing.

He didn't agree, as you'd expect.

So here we are. I'm trying hard to hold on to this vehicle for 2 more years, as there are so many healthy EVs coming. Just really disappointed with the way my Leaf played out.

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Re: 2nd Battery, After 9,000 Miles, Drops a Bar

Mon May 25, 2020 6:16 pm

Bummer.

Can someone move this post into the the lizard pack thread?
viewtopic.php?f=30&t=24532

(FWIW, my 5/2013 built '13 Leaf is still on its original battery and at 11 bars. SOH is at at around 79.8 to 79.9% now. I guess I'll be losing a bar soon. I'm likely in a cooler climate than you although it's quite hot today (above 95 F) and will be thru Thursday. Due to lockdown and not being able to go to work, I guess I'm going to have my Leaf quite a bit longer than I intended. Had been sorta trying to sell it since last year.)

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Replacement Lizard battery Drops a bar After 9,000 Miles

Mon May 25, 2020 6:27 pm

I'm going to leave the thread, as it's about an unusual situation: a replacement Lizard pack degrading fairly fast, and related interactions with the dealership. I may edit the title to make it more clear.
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Re: 2nd Battery, After 9,000 Miles, Drops a Bar

Mon May 25, 2020 8:45 pm

So exactly what warranty was given on the replacement battery?
1 bar lost at 21,451 miles, 16 months.
2 bar lost at 35,339 miles, 25 months.
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Re: 2nd Battery, After 9,000 Miles, Drops a Bar

Mon May 25, 2020 9:40 pm

I seem to recall something short, like one year, or the balance of the original warranty if any. I'm not certain of that, though.
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Re: 2nd Battery, After 9,000 Miles, Drops a Bar

Mon May 25, 2020 9:45 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 9:40 pm
I seem to recall something short, like one year, or the balance of the original warranty if any. I'm not certain of that, though.
That would be true if it was a warranty replacement if the customer paid nothing.

For ones where it's fully customer paid, it should still have a 5 year/60K capacity warranty. Searching for warranty at viewtopic.php?t=17168 alluded to that. The grey area would be (in the past) where Nissan chipped in. Not sure what warranties they got.
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Re: 2nd Battery, After 9,000 Miles, Drops a Bar

Mon May 25, 2020 9:49 pm

LeafPowerIsIxE wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 6:12 pm
At 13,000 miles, 2015, I had to replace my original tires (Nissan).
My original tires lasted over 50,000 miles. Didn't have enough tread to last another winter, so replaced. If was summer, might have let them go longer.

Just how do you wear out tires that fast??


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Re: 2nd Battery, After 9,000 Miles, Drops a Bar

Mon May 25, 2020 10:26 pm

$6300 seems like full price. There should be the normal warranty on that traction battery since he paid to replace it.
1st Capacity Bar loss 30k mi 16mo
2nd- 49k mi 25.5mo 51.5Ah
3rd- 73k mi 36.5mo 46.9Ah
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5th- 101k mi 50.5mo 38.4Ah, end 36.1Ah
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1st- 160.5k mi 34mo 54Ah
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Re: 2nd Battery, After 9,000 Miles, Drops a Bar

Tue May 26, 2020 3:14 am

True about the full warranty.
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Re: 2nd Battery, After 9,000 Miles, Drops a Bar

Tue May 26, 2020 4:09 am

WetEV wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 9:49 pm
LeafPowerIsIxE wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 6:12 pm
At 13,000 miles, 2015, I had to replace my original tires (Nissan).
My original tires lasted over 50,000 miles. Didn't have enough tread to last another winter, so replaced. If was summer, might have let them go longer.

Just how do you wear out tires that fast??


I'm not disappointed in my LEAF.
I'm guessing?? his Leaf may need an alignment? My new '13 wore out a set of OEM Ecopia's in less than 20K driving it the same way I drive all my other cars where I get 60K+ on my good replacements. After the 15 or so months it was out of warranty for alignment so I paid for it out of pocket, along with a new set of Ecopia +'s and I'm still on those tires and they look good 30K later. I'd guess the alignment of the OPs car, not really anything they are doing. I'd also suggest using maximum sidewall tire pressure, or close to it. Running near max helps to limit sidewall wear, running it on the door sill pressure tends to wear the sides quite badly, for sure on the fronts.
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