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Re: 2nd Battery, After 9,000 Miles, Drops a Bar

Tue May 26, 2020 7:58 am

cwerdna wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 9:45 pm
For ones where it's fully customer paid, it should still have a 5 year/60K capacity warranty. Searching for warranty at viewtopic.php?t=17168 alluded to that. The grey area would be (in the past) where Nissan chipped in. Not sure what warranties they got.
You need to find where it's explicitly stated that; "this new replacement part (battery) has a 5 year capacity (SOH) warranty".
It's highly likely that the replacement battery will have a typical part replacement warranty of just one year, the same as
if you bought a 12V battery from the Nissan dealer. It's possible, though, that the warranty may be prorated for SOH over 5 years,
reducing Nissan's liability somewhat.
#1 Leaf SL MY 9/13: 76K miles, 47 Ahrs, 5.0 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=73, L2 - 100% > 1000, temp < 95F, (DOD) > 20 Ahrs
#2 Leaf SL MY 12/18: 10.3K miles, SOH 109Ahrs/115Ahrs, 5.2 miles/kWh (average), DOD > 20%, temp < 105F

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Re: 2nd Battery, After 9,000 Miles, Drops a Bar

Tue May 26, 2020 8:07 am

^^^
BBrockman at viewtopic.php?t=17168 stated "Replacement packs will carry similar warranty coverage as a new LEAF: 8 years/100,000 miles against defects and 5 years/60,000 miles against capacity loss. "

Would be nice if customer paid HV batteries actually do receive such a warranty and that it's in writing.

As for 12 volt batteries from a Nissan dealer, they actually do have a longer than 12 month warranty. It's actually "84 months" but prorated. It's only fully covered (parts and labor) for 24 months. See "REPLACEMENT 12V BATTERY LIMITED WARRANTY" of your warranty booklet. It's that way in my '13 warranty booklet. See page 29 of the PDF at https://owners.nissanusa.com/content/te ... ooklet.pdf.

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Re: 2nd Battery, After 9,000 Miles, Drops a Bar

Tue May 26, 2020 8:20 am

cwerdna wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 8:07 am
^^^
BBrockman at viewtopic.php?t=17168 stated "Replacement packs will carry similar warranty coverage as a new LEAF: 8 years/100,000 miles against defects and 5 years/60,000 miles against capacity loss. "

Would be nice if customer paid HV batteries actually do receive such a warranty and that it's in writing.
Yes, that's the key point!

1. Where's it stated in a Nissan legal document?
2. That statement was from a Nissan employee (not Nissan legal) about 6 years ago. Who knows what the present policy is?
#1 Leaf SL MY 9/13: 76K miles, 47 Ahrs, 5.0 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=73, L2 - 100% > 1000, temp < 95F, (DOD) > 20 Ahrs
#2 Leaf SL MY 12/18: 10.3K miles, SOH 109Ahrs/115Ahrs, 5.2 miles/kWh (average), DOD > 20%, temp < 105F

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Re: 2nd Battery, After 9,000 Miles, Drops a Bar

Tue May 26, 2020 10:24 am

My paperwork states that the traction battery that I bought in September 2015 has the full warranty coverage. Then again, given my mileage, it is not likely to be used. :lol:
1st Capacity Bar loss 30k mi 16mo
2nd- 49k mi 25.5mo 51.5Ah
3rd- 73k mi 36.5mo 46.9Ah
4th- 86.5k mi 43mo 42.6Ah
5th- 101k mi 50.5mo 38.4Ah, end 36.1Ah
New Battery 9/28/15 104k mi 66.1Ah
1st- 160.5k mi 34mo 54Ah
2nd- 184.4k mi 53mo 49Ah

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Re: 2nd Battery, After 9,000 Miles, Drops a Bar

Tue May 26, 2020 12:47 pm

Warranty coverage is predicated on either "defect" and/or "capacity loss".

Nissan has their own perverted definition of what this means. To me, dropping a bar at less than 10,000 miles is clearly a defect, and absolutely a capacity loss. But Nissan carefully crafted their warranty language to require a 4 bar drop in the capacity to trigger warranty coverage. Defects would require a catastrophic failure of the battery pack.

My experience tells me that once you drop a bar, the failure sequence has begun.

Some background about the comments above:

---My tires did not exhibit uneven wear related to alignment. Both tire replacement recommendations came from Nissan during annual service inspections. The first set were by Nissan. There is absolutely no mileage warranty. I did not make this mistake the second time.

-- My Leaf is one of 5 vehicles I own. I'm retired now, but drove a company car while working. This explains the extremely low mileage. I had no choice but to move to a different vehicle, because I bought a car advertised with 109 mile range. My office is 30 freeway miles each way. Needless to say, the Leaf was not able to make that round trip unless I drove 50mph and didn't use the A/C. And didn't go to lunch. Or the dentist. Etc.

-- I think we all agree the batteries are equally, if not more, effected by age versus mileage.

-- This vehicle is pampered. It is garaged full time, stored in a moderate climate here in San Diego county, and charged only when I drop to 3-4 bars. I do, however, always charge to 100%.

I love driving the Leaf. I'm just very disappointed with the battery performance.

It will be interesting to see how long it is until I drop the next bar.

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Re: 2nd Battery, After 9,000 Miles, Drops a Bar

Tue May 26, 2020 1:20 pm

I do, however, always charge to 100%.
That may be it. I also don't agree that once one bar is lost the loss will accelerate (aside from apparent rapidity because the first bar is "worth" 15% and subsequent ones about 6%). If you can reduce whatever factor is causing the faster degradation, the degradation will slow. If you charge it when the pack is hot, stop doing that. If you don't need 100% charge, charge to roughly 70%. If you do need a full charge, time it to end right before you use the car.
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Re: Replacement Lizard battery Drops a bar After 9,000 Miles

Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:21 pm

My 2014 replacement batt just lost its first bar 2 months ago.
So that's kind of scary.

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Re: Replacement Lizard battery Drops a bar After 9,000 Miles

Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:53 am

Oil pan, when was your battery replaced.

I do remember feeling a sense of loss when that capacity bar went. For us, it was at the 5 year mark, so within my expectations for the car, especially after reading in 2013 (when we bought the car) about 2011 and 2012 Leafs already losing bars.

Any wagers when the first 2018 battery will be reported with a missing bar? My wager is early next year once the car is over 3 years old.
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Re: Replacement Lizard battery Drops a bar After 9,000 Miles

Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:44 pm

I'm going to go with September of this year, after an extraordinarily Hot Summer. It will be a few outliers in extra-Hot climates.
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Re: 2nd Battery, After 9,000 Miles, Drops a Bar

Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:23 pm

WetEV wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 9:49 pm
LeafPowerIsIxE wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 6:12 pm
At 13,000 miles, 2015, I had to replace my original tires (Nissan).
My original tires lasted over 50,000 miles. Didn't have enough tread to last another winter, so replaced. If was summer, might have let them go longer.

Just how do you wear out tires that fast??


I'm not disappointed in my LEAF.
"Just how do you wear out tires that fast??"
Answer: By underinflation...I ran the recommended tire pressures for about 1-1/2 years and the tires wore too much of the outer parts of the tire; I increased the pressure to 40 PSI all around and now the tires wear more in the center; the downside is the car rides rougher; the upside is I have 30,000 miles on them and they still look good.
BTW, I may need to replace them anyway because the rubber ages and hardens with time; but, they won't wear out prematurely.

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