danrjones
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Re: Nissan NEVER TOLD ME our Leaf CAN'T DO HILLS !!!!!

Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:30 pm

smkettner wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:55 am
OP needs to get off his ranting soapbox and explain a bit more about fast charging and speeds the day of the heating issue.
Since inception in 2011 I have never read a post about the vehicle warning to stop driving solely because they went up a hill.
I can tell you that during the last trip to the dealer, a couple fast charges jacked up my battery temp to the point it was pitifully slow in terms of fast charging. But it never cut my power for driving.

I have also taken my 2018 leaf up a road near me up into the mountains. In 9 miles you go from 2400 feet to near 7000 feet. It may have bumped the battery temp by one bar but it was no problem at all. No power issues.

And I live in a very hot area.

I would think the problem is related to fast charging.
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Re: Nissan NEVER TOLD ME our Leaf CAN'T DO HILLS !!!!!

Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:58 pm

The OP has left the building, never to return...
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Re: Nissan NEVER TOLD ME our Leaf CAN'T DO HILLS !!!!!

Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:40 pm

alozzy wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:58 pm
The OP has left the building, never to return...
Indeed. memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=31481 says their last active time was the time of their OP. I think it's not worth spending any more time on this until we hear back w/clarification.

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Re: Nissan NEVER TOLD ME our Leaf CAN'T DO HILLS !!!!!

Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:45 pm

^ Makes one wonder about the motivation but the response was certainly interesting. Just another example to show how much FUD and disinformation exists on the interwebs.

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Re: Nissan NEVER TOLD ME our Leaf CAN'T DO HILLS !!!!!

Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:46 am

EVs rock on hills/mountains, it is one of their strengths lots of torque they are not burning anything so thinning air does not bother them. No adjusting the carborator. We don't lose power as we climb.

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Re: Nissan NEVER TOLD ME our Leaf CAN'T DO HILLS !!!!!

Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:55 am

Indeed. My Vectrix is limited to 68MPH to preserve the motor (there is a 71MPH firmware update, but I don't see the point of it) but it will happily climb most hills at that same 68MPH.
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Re: Nissan NEVER TOLD ME our Leaf CAN'T DO HILLS !!!!!

Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:18 pm

salyavin wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:46 am
EVs rock on hills/mountains,
Right, only if you drive a BEV with TMS, e.g. Bolt/Tesla/Audi. Love to "cook" that Leaf battery, right?
Get LeafSpy and the tell us about your Leaf's battery parameters when it's a year old.
salyavin wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:46 am
No adjusting the carborator. We don't lose power as we climb.
Haven't become aware of ICE technology advancements is the last 40 years?
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#2 Leaf SL MY 12/18: 10.3K miles, SOH 109Ahrs/115Ahrs, 5.2 miles/kWh (average), DOD > 20%, temp < 105F

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Re: Nissan NEVER TOLD ME our Leaf CAN'T DO HILLS !!!!!

Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:04 pm

Extremely long and steep hills may warm the LEAF battery a few degrees at highway speeds, but generally not. As I have said before, the batteries in all three LEAFs that I have owned actually cool slightly when driven at highway speeds after being heated by DCQC. If the OP's car is heating the battery during highway driving, there is something wrong (unless the heating is actually from DCQC between uphill highway segments).
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lorenfb
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Re: Nissan NEVER TOLD ME our Leaf CAN'T DO HILLS !!!!!

Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:10 pm

GerryAZ wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:04 pm
As I have said before, the batteries in all three LEAFs that I have owned actually cool slightly when driven at highway speeds after being heated by DCQC.
Define "cool slightly". Then provide some actual data and describe how that can occur, given the lack of air flow, the battery's thermal mass,
and it's low thermal conductivity to ambient. Some need to just accept the fact that the present Leaf without TMS for highway travel is marginal,
and as sure is not comparable to either a Bolt or Tesla for long highway travel.
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salyavin
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Re: Nissan NEVER TOLD ME our Leaf CAN'T DO HILLS !!!!!

Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:41 pm

lorenfb wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:18 pm

Right, only if you drive a BEV with TMS, e.g. Bolt/Tesla/Audi. Love to "cook" that Leaf battery, right?

Do you actually have a LEAF? The battery does not cook on mountains, it does cook bad when DCFC though. I also do have LEAF spy, do you?
I have also mentioned I have had the temperature actually drop out of the red zone going over Vail pass (a famous mountain pass along I-70 in Colorado).

On highway travel I will agree with you most other manufacturers from Kia to GM to Tesla will beat the LEAF due to the thermal management allowing it to drop heat better and allowing a succession of DCFC. The Plus starts to have problems from charge 3 in a day this does not apply to Tesla, GM or Kia.

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