Kieran973
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:03 pm

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
Kieran973 wrote:So after lurking on this forum for almost a year, I finally bought a Leaf today (4/30). I picked up a silver 2019 Leaf SV with the All-Weather package. The deal worked out like this:

MSRP: $35,195 (in addition to the All-Weather package, this car has $910 of add-on crap that the dealer refused to take out)
Dealer Discount: $1,195
Selling Price: $34,000
Dealer/Doc Fees: $270
Taxes: $2,092.29 (combined state and county sales tax is 8.875% in my area)
Total Price: $36,362
NY State Drive Clean Rebate: $2,000
Con Edison Discount (utility): $5,000
Trade-in Value (2016 Honda Civic LX with 30,000 miles): $10,500
Out the Door (not including the trade-in value): $29,362
Out the Door (after the trade-in): $18,862
Total out of pocket cost after $7,500 federal tax credit: $21,862
I followed your math up to the last part. Wouldn't your total out-of-pocket after Fed Tax Credit be $11,362? Assuming you qualify for the full credit of course.

Anyway, if the $11,362 amount is correct, with a $2300 per year savings, you made out nicely. At least you got some sort of discount, unlike the stories I hear from others.

Kieran973 wrote: My car insurance also went down $100 a year by switching from a 3-year-old used Honda Civic to a new Nissan Leaf.

Also, my best estimate is that my wife and I stand to save about $2,300 a year in operating costs by trading in my Civic for the Leaf. Part of these savings will come from aggressively using the Leaf almost everywhere we go, while limiting the use of her CRV to under 3,000 miles a year. Part of this will also come from massively cheap electricity through a Con Edison/Fleet Carma partnership that bills EV charging between midnight and 8 AM at effectively 2 cents per kWh in my area.

Did I do OK? This is the first new car I've ever owned. Two years ago I was driving a 2001 Honda Civic.

I debated for a long time whether to get a 40 kWh Leaf or 62 kWh Leaf Plus. At the end of the day, my wife and I drive about 19,000 miles a year, and through some smart reorganization of our car usage, we can do 16,000 of those miles in the 40 kWh Leaf, while we could do 17,000 miles in the Leaf Plus. The lowest total out of pocket cost I could find for a Leaf Plus S was about $27,000 (after the federal tax credit), and this was just too much money for me to spend on a car, especially for one that would only allow me to drive 1,000 more electric miles a year. I was also underwhelmed by the Leaf Plus' somewhat choppy ride and somewhat stiff driver's seat.


In terms of Leaf Spy, are these the things I should be buying?

OBD Dongle:

https://www.amazon.com/BAFX-Products-Bl ... B005NLQAHS

Leaf Spy Pro:

https://www.amazon.com/Turbo3-Leaf-Spy- ... B00PMLTPN0

Cheap Android: which ones are best these days? I have a Kindle Fire from 2014. Can I use that?

And it's my understanding that I need to get an extension cord that I would leave plugged in always, that was I don't damage the OBD port by constantly plugging in and unplugging the dongle. Is that right? If so, what kind?

Thanks for any and all suggestions.
As for the OBD dongle, why not just keep it connected? I've kept mine connected for almost 3 years now, and have only taken it out maybe 3 times to use on other people's cars.
Sorry, what I meant was that the total cost for me for the Leaf - before giving the dealership my Civic, but after factoring in the $7,500 federal tax credit - is $21,862. In other words, if I didn't have a car to trade in, the Leaf would cost me $21,862 in total (although the trade-in value of the Civic did knock about $1,000 off the sales tax, so the real total cost in the case of no trade-in would have been around $22.8K).

I certainly could keep the dongle connected, sure. I'm new to how all this works. I would like to run Leaf Spy at the same time as a program here in NY called Smart Charge, which also runs off the OBD port, because doing this is what makes my electricity rates so cheap.....
2019 Leaf SV (silver) with All-Weather Package

Oils4AsphaultOnly
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:07 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Unless they have power off capability, then the only really safe way to use them always plugged in is to re-wire the OBDII port plug pins to achieve port auto-power-off.
If the concern is safety/security, the blutooth antennae isn't powered when the car isn't "on". The power switch simply turns off blutooth when the car is on.
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:34 pm

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:Unless they have power off capability, then the only really safe way to use them always plugged in is to re-wire the OBDII port plug pins to achieve port auto-power-off.
If the concern is safety/security, the blutooth antennae isn't powered when the car isn't "on". The power switch simply turns off blutooth when the car is on.
The concern is mainly phantom drain on the 12 volt battery. That may be less an issue now than in older Leafs, but I wouldn't want to test that by waiting to see if the accessory battery dies if the car is left parked for several days or a week...
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:38 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:Unless they have power off capability, then the only really safe way to use them always plugged in is to re-wire the OBDII port plug pins to achieve port auto-power-off.
If the concern is safety/security, the blutooth antennae isn't powered when the car isn't "on". The power switch simply turns off blutooth when the car is on.
The concern is mainly phantom drain on the 12 volt battery. That may be less an issue now than in older Leafs, but I wouldn't want to test that by waiting to see if the accessory battery dies if the car is left parked for several days or a week...
No worries. Already tested. Car was parked with the dongle plugged in for 10 days on my last trip. The OBD port is unpowered when the car is off.
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:41 pm

Already tested. Car was parked with the dongle plugged in for 10 days on my last trip. The OBD port is unpowered when the car is off.
If all 2016+ Leafs have the port power off with the car, then this is a big improvement.
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RandyInPortland
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Fri May 31, 2019 7:29 am

Here are some numbers on the Leaf S Plus I purchased last week. I'm in Oregon with Portland General Electric as my power company. They have a $2500 rebate going on S Plus through 7/1/19 ($3500 on the S). Unfortunately, the dealer and NMAC discounts cannot be combined with PGE's incentive. In this deal the Nissan discounts were a better option.

The State of Oregon is running the Oregon Clean Vehicle Rebate Program with $2500 rebates for EVs. I found one dealer who could apply it directly at time of purchase. It's a simple form to complete though and I can float the cash for a few weeks during processing, so that ended up a non-factor in my decision.

MSRP: $37,445 (was shown $38,340 with wheel locks that weren’t even installed)
Total dealer discounts: -$3,132
NMAC Captive Cash: -$1,000 (0%, 36 months)
Nissan Holiday Bonus Cash: -$500
Dealer/Doc Fees: +$150
Registration, Title, and Excise Tax: +$581.07
Out the door Total Price: $33,554
Trade-in Value (2013 Honda Odyssey with 64,000 miles): -$10,780
Out the Door (after the trade-in): $22,764
Oregon Clean Vehicle Rebate Program: $2,500 (file myself after purchase)
Federal Tax Credit: $7,500 (adjusting withholdings now to put some of it in my pocket!)
Out of pocket, not considering trade: $23,544
My final out of pocket cost: $12,764


This was a big step, getting away from the minivan and into all-electric. The van's great a few weekends a year hauling stuff from Home Depot, and for camping trips into the mountains, but we plan to rent something if we really need it for those occasions. Driving a big empty van around town just felt bad, and the Leaf gets one or all of us everywhere we go 98% of the time. The larger battery also means we'll only need to two or three times per week for our use cases.

My workplace recently installed three level II ports, which sell power for $0.10/kwh. That's slightly cheaper than my $0.12/kwh retail rate at home. In February, our utility filed a program to offer $500 or $1000 rebates on residential level II equipment, self-installed or professionally installed respectively. When that comes into force, I'll put in a Juicebox or similar and look seriously at a time-of-use plan ($0.042/kwh offpeak).

Looking forward to the electric life, and for the OBDII dongle to get here from Amazon!!!

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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Fri May 31, 2019 10:08 am

RandyInPortland wrote:Here are some numbers on the Leaf S Plus I purchased last week. I'm in Oregon with Portland General Electric as my power company. They have a $2500 rebate going on S Plus through 7/1/19 ($3500 on the S). Unfortunately, the dealer and NMAC discounts cannot be combined with PGE's incentive. In this deal the Nissan discounts were a better option.

The State of Oregon is running the Oregon Clean Vehicle Rebate Program with $2500 rebates for EVs. I found one dealer who could apply it directly at time of purchase. It's a simple form to complete though and I can float the cash for a few weeks during processing, so that ended up a non-factor in my decision.

MSRP: $37,445 (was shown $38,340 with wheel locks that weren’t even installed)
Total dealer discounts: -$3,132
NMAC Captive Cash: -$1,000 (0%, 36 months)
Nissan Holiday Bonus Cash: -$500
Dealer/Doc Fees: +$150
Registration, Title, and Excise Tax: +$581.07
Out the door Total Price: $33,554
Trade-in Value (2013 Honda Odyssey with 64,000 miles): -$10,780
Out the Door (after the trade-in): $22,764
Oregon Clean Vehicle Rebate Program: $2,500 (file myself after purchase)
Federal Tax Credit: $7,500 (adjusting withholdings now to put some of it in my pocket!)
Out of pocket, not considering trade: $23,544
My final out of pocket cost: $12,764


This was a big step, getting away from the minivan and into all-electric. The van's great a few weekends a year hauling stuff from Home Depot, and for camping trips into the mountains, but we plan to rent something if we really need it for those occasions. Driving a big empty van around town just felt bad, and the Leaf gets one or all of us everywhere we go 98% of the time. The larger battery also means we'll only need to two or three times per week for our use cases.

My workplace recently installed three level II ports, which sell power for $0.10/kwh. That's slightly cheaper than my $0.12/kwh retail rate at home. In February, our utility filed a program to offer $500 or $1000 rebates on residential level II equipment, self-installed or professionally installed respectively. When that comes into force, I'll put in a Juicebox or similar and look seriously at a time-of-use plan ($0.042/kwh offpeak).

Looking forward to the electric life, and for the OBDII dongle to get here from Amazon!!!
Welcome to the borg ... I mean forest!

If you install a hitch receiver, you can do the home depot runs with the leaf too! Here's the thread: http://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=13428
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:29 pm

Will be picking up a new lease on a pearl white 40kWh 2019 Leaf SV tomorrow night for my wife. Turning in our 2016 Leaf SV lease.

Has added floor and cargo mats, splash guards, and front/rear clear bumper protectors.

Price includes all taxes and fees:
$3,000 down
$280/mo
36 month lease
12k/yr mileage allowance
=$13,080 total (before government/utility incentives)
-$2,500 CA rebate
-$800 PG&E utility rebate
=$9,780 net cost after all incentives

That's nearly the same price after inflation that we paid on the 2016 Leaf SV.

Of course we also get HOV stickers and 2 years of free L3 charging with EVgo.

Choices just keep getting better. Looking forward to trading up again in 3 years to something even sweeter.
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:02 pm

I'm assuming that you don't need or want the cold weather package?
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:38 pm

It would be nice, but no, we don’t need it with our mild winters. And since the Leaf is the secondary vehicle, the 150 miles is a lot more than needed so inefficient resistance heating is ok.
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