act0fgod
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:45 am

SageBrush wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:57 am
What did you buy, and what was the OTD cost before and after tax credits ?

Good Luck with your car !
$32,159 OTD for 2019 SL+ before federal tax credit. It needed to be financed but they let me put $25k down and in CO we can pay off early without penalty.

DougWantsALeaf
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:23 pm

I would suggest nabbing a used Plus (preferably S+) instead. The versatility difference of 180-200+ miles vs. 120-150 is pretty large. Having done now dozens of 4 hour plus driving time trips with a 100+ mile each way distance on a charge (so no charging stops) just eliminates angst, especially as an experienced EV driver.

As many were bought in the lowe 20s or even high teens (CO), in 4 years they should be pretty cheap, yet very useable.
2019 S Plus (97.98% SOH) & 2019 SV Plus (94.84% SOH) Both Silver
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:43 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:23 pm
As many were bought in the lowe 20s or even high teens (CO), in 4 years they should be pretty cheap, yet very useable.
They'll also mostly be around 80-85% health by then

goldbrick
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:42 am

My 2017 S is on track to be at about 91-92% SOH at 4 years old.

SageBrush
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:14 pm

goldbrick wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:42 am
My 2017 S is on track to be at about 91-92% SOH at 4 years old.
I believe that for a cool climate LEAF that avoids DC charging. PNW LEAFs also have good track records in general, as do Northern Europe LEAFs.

Heck, even our 2013 Gen1 LEAF has not degraded this past year according to LEAFspy and still has > 54 Ahr. I don't really believe that completely, but I'm optimistic of < 2% annual capacity loss. It also goes to show that babied enough in a moderate environment, even a LEAF can age somewhat gracefully.

I'm still not sure how much my Tesla Model 3 battery degraded in 27 months, it is still within the rounding error. The calc ignoring sig digits works out to 1.2%
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:09 pm

Yeah, most M3 batteries appear to be pretty good. The Northern Leaf batteries have performed almost as admirably if you consider the miles are on a pack 1/3rd the size.

There is this handful which owners refer to as losing the battery lottery that have lost 8-15%, and complain they get little simpathy from Tesla. Since it is all anecdotal, it's likely a small % of overall units. I am curious what happens in that handful that causes them to underperform? (Beyond maybe owner abuse)

Bjorm just did a video about a 2013 S85 that is still in the low 90s in terms of capacity. Pretty good
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SageBrush
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:23 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:09 pm
There is this handful which owners refer to as losing the battery lottery that have lost 8-15%,
That is uncertain, as I wrote above. Read the miscalibration thread.

Bjorm just did a video about a 2013 S85 that is still in the low 90s in terms of capacity.
95% capacity remains. Your inability to keep simple facts straight is impressive. And it is not just "pretty good," it is approaching 10x better than the LEAF in terms of battery degradation from the same era. Heck, the LEAF from 2020 is still a league behind in terms of degradation and DC charging.

That car is being sold, on offer for $37k USD
That model sold for $72,400 after fed tax credit in the USA in 2013. If the values are similar today in the USA then the car depreciated ~ $420 a month. Amazing

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2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:54 am

SageBrush wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:23 pm
Bjorm just did a video about a 2013 S85 that is still in the low 90s in terms of capacity.
95% capacity remains. Your inability to keep simple facts straight is impressive. And it is not just "pretty good," it is approaching 10x better than the LEAF in terms of battery degradation from the same era.
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Oh? Coworker has a 2013 Leaf with over 90% SOC. L1 charged mostly, commuting mostly, over 80k miles. His battery is in better shape than mine with more miles and more years on it. I've done a lot of DCQCs, he has done exactly one.
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:14 am

WetEV wrote:
Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:54 am
SageBrush wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:23 pm
Bjorm just did a video about a 2013 S85 that is still in the low 90s in terms of capacity.
95% capacity remains. Your inability to keep simple facts straight is impressive. And it is not just "pretty good," it is approaching 10x better than the LEAF in terms of battery degradation from the same era.
Oh? Coworker has a 2013 Leaf with over 90% SOC. L1 charged mostly, commuting mostly, over 80k miles. His battery is in better shape than mine with more miles and more years on it. I've done a lot of DCQCs, he has done exactly one.
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Arguing with a cherry orchard owner?

We "could" pony up the 2015 LEAF that went 150,000 miles with 12 bars but what is the point?
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 11,333.1 mi, 93.73% SOH
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:56 am

WetEV, eMobility in the comments challenged his assertion about starting capacity, believing it to be 77.5kWh, not 75..so low 90s is accurate enough either way. He also cited that his M3 was not doing as well if you are looking to be picky. I don't really care if it was 93 or 95.

The S85 was pristinely maintained, guessing with excellent charging practices. My comment was a genuine compliment to Tesla, and the owner and shows how well EVs can hold up if well treated.
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