LeftieBiker
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:26 pm

Considering such things, for someone in the PNW and other cool climates, buying from the start is a less risky proposition if one hopes to keep the vehicle for years. OTOH, in warm climates...
I just got up, but I don't follow your logic. Are you saying that having to pay more for the car you lease if you want to keep it is "risky"? I'd say that going the leasing route is "Safer but more expensive - you pay for safety." "Safety" in this case being not being stuck with a car with a degrading battery.
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:17 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:26 pm
Considering such things, for someone in the PNW and other cool climates, buying from the start is a less risky proposition if one hopes to keep the vehicle for years. OTOH, in warm climates...
Are you saying that having to pay more for the car you lease if you want to keep it is "risky"? I'd say that going the leasing route is "Safer but more expensive - you pay for safety." "Safety" in this case being not being stuck with a car with a degrading battery.
What you would say was precisely what I was trying to convey. :D

If someone gets a phenomenal lease deal, one ends up with a higher residual. That makes the temptation to walk away from that lease greater than sinking more into the vehicle with a pricier lease. Nissan not budging on the residual seems to be the norm in recent years.

Indeed, purchasing one's own car off-lease is safer. Most of us on these boards know what it take to treat the Leaf battery right, so it's more than a gamble if completing the lease and walking away then picking up a cheaper used Leaf on the open market.
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:00 pm

If someone gets a phenomenal lease deal, one ends up with a higher residual.
Generally true, but with this $99/month lease, if the residual is $17.5k, then you are getting a great deal and a reasonable residual. NMAC has been fixing residuals at 33%, so we haven't been seeing the wild & crazy lease deals like my $149/month SV with Premium in 2013 (with a residual in the twenties).
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:33 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:00 pm
If someone gets a phenomenal lease deal, one ends up with a higher residual.
Generally true, but with this $99/month lease, if the residual is $17.5k, then you are getting a great deal and a reasonable residual. NMAC has been fixing residuals at 33%, so we haven't been seeing the wild & crazy lease deals like my $149/month SV with Premium in 2013 (with a residual in the twenties).
Are the current lease deals unusual? I got a 36 month lease on a 2012 sv, back in 2012, for an all-in of around $215. that included everything like tax/title. I was very pleased with it. If I could do the same now on a 2020 SV I would, but my local dealer is $2000 above that ($80/mo 24 month lease). I need a car by Xmas, but I could wait. Is right around now historically a good time for the leaf lease deals?

Need this as we have a teen driving very soon and she is exactly like I was when I got my license, so I expect ungodly miles driven (not ideal for a lease, but the overage locally is also $.10/mile).

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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:41 am

It's looking like this is a California lease offer, but I'm not sure yet. I also see no sign of it here, but I did see a $153 lease offer for an SV. This will probably be the best time to lease with some choice available; there may be better offers in November, but with fewer cars available. That's when I'll be looking, since I'd have to pay off my lease and then turn the car in...
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:52 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:41 am
It's looking like this is a California lease offer, but I'm not sure yet. I also see no sign of it here, but I did see a $153 lease offer for an SV. This will probably be the best time to lease with some choice available; there may be better offers in November, but with fewer cars available. That's when I'll be looking, since I'd have to pay off my lease and then turn the car in...
I am seeing a place in NY offering just over $100/mo with $2500 down. BUt it's a 24 and I Just realized NY does not offer $2000 credit except for a 36 month lease. I may ask the dealership what a 36 month looks like, because then the $2000 comes off the top.

I just want to get an all-in nothing but first payment of $200. Could be a tall stretch but I'm no more than $2k away from it, so maybe I get lucky.

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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:58 am

This $99 lease offer has in the past had several other gotchas - the main one is VPP which is now only offered to people who work at certain tech companies in the Bay Area or are a Nissan affiliated employee. I have also seen additional qualifiers (either military or recent college grad - or both) tacked on as well. Very few people will actually qualify for these rates.

IF you don't qualify for all of the incentives then there is no way to get this deal. I know because I was chasing lease deals at the tail end of the 2019 inventory late last and earlier this year in the Bay Area...I ran into the same road blocks. As soon as one of the incentives was removed the dealer jacked up the lease prices.

Plus the 24 month lease does not qualify for the State incentives or many of the other local area air incentives which can add up pretty quickly.
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:39 pm

leased my second leaf in 2017 with below details
nissan hayward, ca bay area
2017 s, 3 yr, 15k per year, vpp, loyal customer,
$2500 drive off got back thru ca rebate and 35 month $133 with tax]
residual $8500

was shopping around on labor day for leaf lease in bay area - checked sunnyvale, sanjose, hayward, fremont, gilroy
good deals are for 24 month lease
most of them are offering with similar deals $2500 down plus $2500 dmv fees, title fees etc, and $70 plus tax per month for 2020 leaf sv, 12k which comes around $6500 for 24 months

i felt paying $2500 every 2 years for dmv, title is waste of money.

got confused to keep current leaf vs return and get new leaf, any advise

Also san joaquin county clean air rebate program shows $3k rebate if we lease leaf for 3 years, is it still valid

https://www.valleyair.org/drivecleanint ... in/rebate/

last two times i got ca rebate of $2500, looks like its not available any more,

appreciate feedback

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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:09 pm

got confused to keep current leaf vs return and get new leaf, any advise
If your car has 12 bars without having had the BMS update, and has more range than needed, and the S version is fine with you, keep it.
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:57 pm

virock wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:39 pm
leased my second leaf in 2017 with below details
nissan hayward, ca bay area
2017 s, 3 yr, 15k per year, vpp, loyal customer,
$2500 drive off got back thru ca rebate and 35 month $133 with tax]
residual $8500
Your lease + residual adds up to $15.6k

If the battery is degrading at a pace you can handle and still make warranty replacement, this might be a good car to keep for a 40 kWh battery warranty replacement (with all the caveats that go along with that .)
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