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Re: A Note From A Leaf Salesman

Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:02 am
by D3Leaf
megger5963 wrote:Anyway, none of this is about the merits of the car business or the wealth car salesman can/cannot acrue.

I just wanted to educate the average Leaf customer on our side of things. I think that my fellow Leaf Sales Guys will appreciate it.

That pretty much concludes my participation in the thread.
First let me thank you for your insight as a Leaf Car Salesman. And yes the lowest person on the totem pole ends up in the crap pile and sometimes penniless. Let me offer this, if I could pay, say a $300 commission (like a restaurant tip) directly to the sales person, I would do that; but the dealer considers "Sales People" property and I have to pay it to them instead. I do agree, that the Car Retail Sales Market is trickle down economics.

With that said and this might seem rude, but after reading your initial post, all that came to mind was a Danny Devito movie, "Other Peoples Money" ... "Amen". When it comes to surveys, I am skeptical. No person, place or thing is perfect; and unless I have some world ending apocalyptic reason (the wife makes do it), I do not do surveys. I purchased my Leaf used and I do not recall doing any post sale survey; if the sales person mentioned a survey, I gave a placated response and ignored it.

Anyway, everyone has a job to do and they are trained (supposedly) how to do it right. If you do your job right, which means the customer is "happy"; how is that above and beyond, and equated to the maximum values on any survey?

Re: A Note From A Leaf Salesman

Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:42 am
by DaveEV
D3Leaf wrote:When it comes to surveys, I am skeptical. No person, place or thing is perfect
I think the same way.

I can't imagine a 10 in terms of dealer experience. There are always a few things that ruin it - and its not necessarily the salesperson's fault. The same goes for service advisors and post-service surveys (do service advisors also get "bonuses" based on surveys?). I _expect_ outstanding service all the time. I don't want to be sold crap I don't need. Don't downplay my concerns.

My last two dealership buying experiences were pretty similar. Knew what I wanted going into the dealer and had pre-arranged pricing. Both times sales staff were pleasant. Both times got reamed by the finance person trying to sell me endless mountains of needless crap while undermining my purcase: "You should buy this extended warranty because you know - this LEAF is new technology and is likely to break down!" or "You should lease this LEAF because it's new technology and is likely to break down!" - nice way to make me feel confident about my purchase :roll: This took at least an hour while I sat uncomfortably saying the same thing. No. No. No. Just let me sign the damn papers, write you a check and let me go.

Re: A Note From A Leaf Salesman

Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:55 pm
by downeykp
No $hit, if we wanted this crap we would ask for it. Otherwise let me sign the necessary papers and leave. The finance people are the shysters in the car buying experience.
drees wrote:
D3Leaf wrote:When it comes to surveys, I am skeptical. No person, place or thing is perfect
I think the same way.

I can't imagine a 10 in terms of dealer experience. There are always a few things that ruin it - and its not necessarily the salesperson's fault. The same goes for service advisors and post-service surveys (do service advisors also get "bonuses" based on surveys?). I _expect_ outstanding service all the time. I don't want to be sold crap I don't need. Don't downplay my concerns.

My last two dealership buying experiences were pretty similar. Knew what I wanted going into the dealer and had pre-arranged pricing. Both times sales staff were pleasant. Both times got reamed by the finance person trying to sell me endless mountains of needless crap while undermining my purcase: "You should buy this extended warranty because you know - this LEAF is new technology and is likely to break down!" or "You should lease this LEAF because it's new technology and is likely to break down!" - nice way to make me feel confident about my purchase :roll: This took at least an hour while I sat uncomfortably saying the same thing. No. No. No. Just let me sign the damn papers, write you a check and let me go.

Re: A Note From A Leaf Salesman

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:34 pm
by DaveinOlyWA
generally the survey asks "Did the salesman do everything in their power to make your sales experience wonderful?" or something similar so I do not grade that question based on things he can't control. this is where the problem is rooted. people will use any part of the process against a question concerning the one part of the process

Re: A Note From A Leaf Salesman

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:11 pm
by LeftieBiker
DaveinOlyWA wrote:generally the survey asks "Did the salesman do everything in their power to make your sales experience wonderful?" or something similar so I do not grade that question based on things he can't control. this is where the problem is rooted. people will use any part of the process against a question concerning the one part of the process
As I remember it, there was a question about how long the process took. I spent a total of something like 6 hours in that place, over two hot days. They got me a good deal, but how on earth could I give that a 10 for wait time? There wasn't a power failure or other act of the gods. It was a nightmarish process, and though the salesman tried to make it easier, the question didn't ask about trying.

Re: A Note From A Leaf Salesman

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:17 pm
by fastmaxxcooper
This is a tough subject for me, because I went into the buying process as an "early adopter" and and enthusiast, someone who wanted an electric car, but left with a bitter taste in my mouth. I paid the highest amount possible, since I ordered it the day they became available in CT. The salesman was nice enough, but the general manager and finance guy ruined the experience for me and really made me feel like a got a sour deal. When the high payments didn't fit my new life a year after I got the car, I was devastated to see what Nissan did with the incentives on the 2012 cars and how they ruined the resale on my car, effectively by $12,000.

I never completed the survey, and unfortunately couldn't honestly advocate the Leaf to everyone that asked me about it, since I had the first in eastern CT.

I wish Nissan had tried to make the early adopters feel more welcome in the experience, it seems their evolving business plan with the Leaf had catered to the bottom feeders more than the actual enthusiasts. Potential buyers tend to trust the people they talk to and friends before ad's, salesman, and media.

I'd say the salesman's hands are tied on this, it's something that can't be fixed at their level.

Re: A Note From A Leaf Salesman

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:53 pm
by DaveinOlyWA
fastmaxxcooper wrote:This is a tough subject for me, because I went into the buying process as an "early adopter" and and enthusiast, someone who wanted an electric car, but left with a bitter taste in my mouth. I paid the highest amount possible, since I ordered it the day they became available in CT. The salesman was nice enough, but the general manager and finance guy ruined the experience for me and really made me feel like a got a sour deal. When the high payments didn't fit my new life a year after I got the car, I was devastated to see what Nissan did with the incentives on the 2012 cars and how they ruined the resale on my car, effectively by $12,000.

I never completed the survey, and unfortunately couldn't honestly advocate the Leaf to everyone that asked me about it, since I had the first in eastern CT.

I wish Nissan had tried to make the early adopters feel more welcome in the experience, it seems their evolving business plan with the Leaf had catered to the bottom feeders more than the actual enthusiasts. Potential buyers tend to trust the people they talk to and friends before ad's, salesman, and media.

I'd say the salesman's hands are tied on this, it's something that can't be fixed at their level.
ya i hear ya. i am embarrassed to admit I paid $299 for my Samsung Galaxy 4 WITH two year contract extension knowing full well that if I waited it would be less than half that later on... but I did it anyway and you know what?? I feel that urge coming on again... I want to fight it but I feel overwhelmed...

Re: A Note From A Leaf Salesman

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:11 pm
by megger5963
That's alright you guys. I think Nissan is finally done giving away these cars.

For a month and a half now, the residuals for these Leafs have been closer to standard cars, with normal money factors. Hopefully the manufacturer keeps these prices the same and stops cheapening the value of this car. :)

Re: A Note From A Leaf Salesman

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:19 pm
by TomT
It will depend entirely on sales... If they start to tank, you will see all of it come right back.
Once Nissan hits the 200,000 vehicle threshold and the $7,500 federal tax credit evaporates, you will certainly see all forms of creative deals.
megger5963 wrote:That's alright you guys. I think Nissan is finally done giving away these cars.

Re: A Note From A Leaf Salesman

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:51 pm
by jsongster
Agree with the poster about the finance person being the creep in dealership... the salesman charms you and then they try to disarm you...

The finance person who finished my LEAF purchase... had a creepy little trick of continuing to add the warranty multiple times after I said I absolutely didn't want it. It magically kept reappearing. I told her I wouldn't take the car if she didn't knock it off... and whaddaya know... we finally were able to get a contract printed without the warranty crap. took way too long...


Can't wait until Tesla eats their lunch!