megger5963
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Re: A Note From A Leaf Salesman

Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:24 pm

Can't wait until Tesla eats their lunch!
Will never happen.

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Re: A Note From A Leaf Salesman

Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:33 pm

megger5963 wrote:(Excuse the long-winded-ness, there is a lot to cover...)
Thanks for taking the time to present your experience. I gotta' say you're a determined person if you still manage to be enthusiastic when the dysfunctional dealership sales model results in a 50% pay cut for stuff that's not your fault, not to mention (OMG!) having to spin a roulette wheel for your salary.

There's so much going on there that is disheartening, and I sympathize. Some of it may improve as you begin to get repeat EV customers and don't have to go on at length about differences, etc... Some of it may get worse as I think EV buyers are more familiar or comfortable with internet sales, so the email-dance that takes up your time may become the norm on other models over time.

As far as surveys that is a particularly sore spot for me. I've had several dealers push WAY too hard for good responses, anywhere from begging, to beratement and veiled threats. You guys really are being bludgeoned with this approach and unfortunately so are the customers. I really don't want to worry that my next service visit or warranty claim is going to be problematic because I answered a survey honestly. It's a sorry reflection of a business model that has allowed itself to become corrupt.

I'm sorry a LEAF sale takes 2-3 days of your time. Certainly wasn't the case for my salesman. I walked in and drove away in my LEAF a couple of hours later. Would have been quicker if the dealership didn't have to dick around with all of their self-inflicted ins and outs.

In short, while I sympathize you're clearly working for a dysfunctional enterprise model. And in my opinion it's headed for the ash-heap of history. Nobody likes it. The MSRP is set high because they expect the customer to haggle. The customer has to haggle because they know they're being screwed. Dealerships invent byzantine financing itemizations to dazzle and confuse. It's all so pathetically crass and stupid.

Wouldn't it be so much nicer to work for a business like Tesla? Where you'd get paid for providing potential customers with a great experience, and then they go home and decide to buy one or not. They're not wasting your time with haggling and you're not wasting theirs. They're not blaming you for the finance guy tricking them on the payments or for having to sit and drink cold coffee while being abandoned for an hour to soften them up. They weren't made marks and you didn't have to make them marks. You don't have to worry about holdbacks and invoices and spins or any of the horse shit that you currently have to dodge every day at the dealership.

That's the car-sales model of the future and EVs will be leading the way. Hope you find a way to jump on board!
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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Re: A Note From A Leaf Salesman

Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:01 pm

I didn't read every follow-up post and it does sound like a crappy system but I will say that my purchase experience was much more easier than what you wrote for my dealer.

I emailed him the initial inquiry. I don't like talking on the phone so I prefer email communication. He sent me some cars and after about 4-5 emails we had a deal done. Total time for him spent on those email was at most 30 minutes. We made an appointment for me to go in and buy the car.

I went in at my appointment time and brought all of my paperwork with me (employment verification for VPP, drivers license, insurance, etc.) and he just took it and made a copy. Time with the dealer took less than 10 minutes.

I went to the finance guy and it took about 30 minutes there but that was only because the guy kept trying to sell me on a maintenance plan that I kept refusing.

Car was delivered the next day and when I went to pick it up, I spent less than 5 minutes with my dealer to get the keys.

Total time spent by my dealer for my deal was 1 hour.

I didn't test drive the car.

RVD.
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Re: A Note From A Leaf Salesman

Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:08 pm

Oh, it WILL happen! The traditional dealership model is hopelessly broken...
megger5963 wrote:
Can't wait until Tesla eats their lunch!
Will never happen.
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Re: A Note From A Leaf Salesman

Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:02 pm

When I was fresh out of college, I bought a new Saturn. The process was quite painless until the finance guy tried to tell me I had no credit history and that they'd have to charge 17.5% interest. Thankfully, I had already gotten pre-approved with a bank for 8.25%, a reasonable rate at the time.

My most painless auto buying experiences have been when I've known exactly what I'm looking for, gotten a quote over the phone, via email, or online, then walked in ready to write a personal check for the entire amount. In that case, dealing with the finance person is very easy. Just say "no" to anything optional. I tell them up front, when I first walk into their office, that this is my intention.

Living on a budget, and saving up and paying cash for things, is quite liberating. If you don't have the money, then you wait, or buy only what you do have the money for and upgrade later. Sure makes car buying, and life, a lot simpler. And you tend to spend less. (If I were inclined to finance things, I would have had a Tesla a while ago, with a big, fat payment.)
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Re: A Note From A Leaf Salesman

Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:15 pm

The only new car I *bought* was a 1986 Honda Civic Si hatchback (you can see the actual car in the Wikipedia entry for it). The salesman was quite nice, and a Brit; I'd failed to qualify for a loan the year before, but after 14 months at my job I was able to pick the car and options I felt I could afford, and just sign. There was no haggling for Hondas in most cases at the time, but he threw in floor mats. ;-)
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Re: A Note From A Leaf Salesman

Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:15 pm

After going through five LA-area Nissan dealerships, I was unable to get a price that I could accept. To be fair, it would have been better if I started at the end of June. The whole process of haggling, getting dealers to match prices, etc. was annoying and outdated. While I really wanted a Leaf with QC, I'm settling for a Ford Focus Electric. My experience with two of the Ford dealers was just as annoying as the five Nissan dealers I tried to work with. Thankfully, the third dealer was able to nail everything down over email with me and I'm going to sign tomorrow, for a price much better than what I could find for Leaf S + QC.

I do agree with the other posters that say the Tesla model is the future.

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Re: A Note From A Leaf Salesman

Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:20 am

Nubo wrote:[snip]
Wouldn't it be so much nicer to work for a business like Tesla? Where you'd get paid for providing potential customers with a great experience, and then they go home and decide to buy one or not. They're not wasting your time with haggling and you're not wasting theirs. They're not blaming you for the finance guy tricking them on the payments or for having to sit and drink cold coffee while being abandoned for an hour to soften them up. They weren't made marks and you didn't have to make them marks. You don't have to worry about holdbacks and invoices and spins or any of the horse shit that you currently have to dodge every day at the dealership.

That's the car-sales model of the future and EVs will be leading the way. Hope you find a way to jump on board!
spot on, the traditional dealership model is a parasite feasting on the end user at the expense of the manufacturer. earlier a poster remarked about a poor dealership experience and blamed it on Nissan. Nissan is not the villain in the process, the leech like system of selling cars is the problem
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Re: A Note From A Leaf Salesman

Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:43 am

RPadTV wrote:After going through five LA-area Nissan dealerships, I was unable to get a price that I could accept. To be fair, it would have been better if I started at the end of June. The whole process of haggling, getting dealers to match prices, etc. was annoying and outdated. While I really wanted a Leaf with QC, I'm settling for a Ford Focus Electric. My experience with two of the Ford dealers was just as annoying as the five Nissan dealers I tried to work with. Thankfully, the third dealer was able to nail everything down over email with me and I'm going to sign tomorrow, for a price much better than what I could find for Leaf S + QC.

I do agree with the other posters that say the Tesla model is the future.
I sympathize. Did you haggle in person or via email/phone? And since you wanted a LEAF with QC why did you settle for a Focus that has no QC?

It's probably too late for you now, but if I were in the same situation I'd have gotten quotes from bay area high-volume LEAF dealers such as Boardwalk Nissan and Sunnyvale Nissan. You'd almost certainly save more than enough to pay for the cost of shipping your LEAF to LA (or you could drive if you wanted to take your time and recharge).
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Re: A Note From A Leaf Salesman

Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:30 am

megger5963 wrote:
Can't wait until Tesla eats their lunch!
Will never happen.
I don't expect Tesla to "eat their lunch" directly.
I do expect the business model, you yourself complained about, to grow to compete as a result of Tesla showing a much better way of doing it.

Those that don't adapt will fall to those that do.
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