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OrientExpress
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Re: Wholesale value of the 2013 Leaf @Auction-October '15

Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:34 am

Looks like the invisible hand of market demand is firming up prices. They are almost back to what whey were back in April of this year.
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Re: Wholesale value of the 2013 Leaf @Auction-October '15

Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:56 pm

My theory is that the used Leaf market will be supply-constrained for at least 2-3 more years just because not too many were sold, which should help to keep them from depreciating too fast.
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Re: Wholesale value of the 2013 Leaf @Auction-October '15

Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:01 pm

Valdemar wrote:My theory is that the used Leaf market will be supply-constrained for at least 2-3 more years just because not too many were sold, which should help to keep them from depreciating too fast.
Maybe for 2013 forward.
But the 2011 #s are pretty bad.
A six year old 2011 may end up worth less than $3,000 at auction.

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Re: Wholesale value of the 2013 Leaf @Auction-October '15

Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:23 pm

TimLee wrote:
Valdemar wrote:My theory is that the used Leaf market will be supply-constrained for at least 2-3 more years just because not too many were sold, which should help to keep them from depreciating too fast.
Maybe for 2013 forward.
But the 2011 #s are pretty bad.
A six year old 2011 may end up worth less than $3,000 at auction.
At some point yes, but in the parallel thread with 2011 Leaf data, cars with 50,000 miles were sold at $6,500, this is better than I expected. It is probably reasonable to expect that a 2011 with a new pack will sell for same or more than an equivalent 2013 with the original pack in retail in the next couple of years, considering the price for a new pack is about $5,500 installed I would expect 2011 to bottom-out around $4,500 in the next couple of years. Pure speculation of course. Another consideration many auction sales are exported, this helps to further thin down the supply.
'11 SL, totaled
-1CB@33k/21mo, -2CB@53k/33mo, -3CB@68k/41mo, -4CB(41.5AHr)@79k/49mo, -5CB(38.85AHr)@87.5k/54mo
-0CB(66.14AHr)@87.5k/54mo (BBB), -1CB(53.92Ahr)@140k/29mo,
51.1AHr, SOH 80%, 150k miles

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Re: Wholesale value of the 2013 Leaf @Auction-October '15

Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:36 pm

I'm not seeing any premium at retail for 2011 cars with a refurbished or replaced pack. The sales data does not give any insight into the pack condition of cars at auction.
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Re: Wholesale value of the 2013 Leaf @Auction-October '15

Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:57 pm

OrientExpress wrote:I'm not seeing any premium at retail for 2011 cars with a refurbished or replaced pack. The sales data does not give any insight into the pack condition of cars at auction.
May be not at the sales data you have access to, but this doesn't mean that a private party buyer will not consider a 2011 with a new Lizard pack to be same or better value than a 2013 without.
'11 SL, totaled
-1CB@33k/21mo, -2CB@53k/33mo, -3CB@68k/41mo, -4CB(41.5AHr)@79k/49mo, -5CB(38.85AHr)@87.5k/54mo
-0CB(66.14AHr)@87.5k/54mo (BBB), -1CB(53.92Ahr)@140k/29mo,
51.1AHr, SOH 80%, 150k miles

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Re: Wholesale value of the 2013 Leaf @Auction-October '15

Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:08 pm

You are absolutely correct, from an informed retail buyers point of view, hunting for that gem is the goal. And perhaps a wholesale buyer will look at battery condition as a determine factor in what to bid, but for the average used car lot auction buyer, it is unlikely that they will be that discerning.
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Re: Wholesale value of the 2013 Leaf @Auction-October '15

Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:11 pm

From what I am seeing the prices are going down, not up (at least here on the East Coast). Also the prices are very regional as Leafs bring more on the West Coast than they do on the East Coast. I started a tread with a lot more data than just the screen shot of the MMR.....

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=20608

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Re: Wholesale value of the 2013 Leaf @Auction-October '15

Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:13 pm

East coast sales are always less than west coast sales. That's why I use the national averages. The way you figure regional price averages is that closer to Opama you are, the higher the price.
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Re: Wholesale value of the 2013 Leaf @Auction-October '15

Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:08 am

I don't know if I got around to posting this but I emailed the used car dealer I went to, on behalf of a colleague who might be interested. His reply on Oct 9th was that auction prices are very high.

He said he got a blue SV w/o QC + LED package and IIRC, it was also w/o premium package. He said his cost @ auction was $10,155 ($9800 + auction fees).

That's crazy compared to the '13 SV WITH premium he picked up (w/about 7K more miles though and worn tires) for me for $8000 + $325 auction fees, making my cost $9,325 + taxes and fees.

He said that also only 6-8 '13 SVs show up each time @ auction. Back when I was in the market, about 20 would be up for auction.

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