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Re: Carvana - What to Expect

Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:43 pm

Does the reset change the SOH number? How long does it take for the SOH to recalculate?


Yes, it goes to 100%. The amount of time the BMS takes to 're-learn' the actual capacity varies, I believe, with how much the car is driven, although there is probably a time element as well. I'd guess about a month, but if there were two or more bars lost you wouldn't have to wait more than a week or two for one to drop, in all likelihood. As for Carvana not doing resets: probably not, but whoever is "upstream" of them might. Lease returns often go to car auctions, and car auctions are not exactly Hotbeds of Good Citizenship.
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Re: Carvana - What to Expect

Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:30 am

Great News. The Carvana LEAF battery capacity is at the high end of my expectation. The SOH was actually trending up on the 2nd day of ownership and after a QC it is, as expected, much better. Here are the numbers from LEAF Spy:

SOH Hx AHr
On delivery: 93.15% 86.65% 57.85
After QC: 96,65% 90.40% 60.02


I did the QC to get another measure of capacity. Here are the results:
15.66 KWH
Displayed SOC change 8-86%
Raw SOC change: 16.2-82.2%

Calculated capacity:
Using Displayed SOC (21.5 KWH?): 93.4%
Using raw SOC (24 KWH): 98.9%

Some minor disappointing issues the car:
  • The axle spline sound that my 2013 experienced seems to be present on this car too. TSB NTB12-055E applies to 2016 from what I read elsewhere on the web. They grease the splines, sound is gone but later comes back but not as bad.

    The tool kit including tow eye and lug wrench is not in the car. Anyone know if it should be? My 2013 has it. Carvana is looking into getting it for me if it should be with this car.

    One rear door has considerable white discoloration on the black plastic. I've seen this before and don't know what causes it or how to fix it. Carvana indicated they would get a detailer to fix it for me.
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Re: Carvana - What to Expect

Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:34 am

So I kept the Carvana LEAF. The axle spine TSB was performed by the dealer under warranty. They gave me an argument at first about it being covered under warranty, but of course this is a drive train issue and is covered for 5 years. Carvana is sending me $75 for detailing for the white discoloration on the door interior. I understand this is usually caused by sunscreen contamination and can usually be cleaned. I don't think I am going to get the tool kit. So overall, I'm happy with the Carvana deal, but admittedly Carvana only partially lives up to their name.

Planning on delivering the 2013 LEAF to my friend, who's buying it, today. He is a retired mechanic/engineer/antique-car-owner who always had an interest in alternative fuel cars, but hasn't had one until now.
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Re: Carvana - What to Expect

Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:50 pm

Bought a 2012 Sl from Carvana without knowing anything about EVs. Sadly i shoulda done my homework as it looks like Carvana didn't. 7 bars at 33,500 miles. 35 miles at 100% battery. Closing price was $10,200 at 18.25% apr. Thought i was getting a deal as they claimed it still had its 80 miles of range. Then later backtracked saying they tested to see it had atleast 60% of its capacity left. I'm left with a 5 yr loan on something that can barely make my commute. Im at a loss.

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Re: Carvana - What to Expect

Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:56 pm

BakoFlow661 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:50 pm
Bought a 2012 Sl from Carvana without knowing anything about EVs. Sadly i shoulda done my homework as it looks like Carvana didn't. 7 bars at 33,500 miles. 35 miles at 100% battery. Closing price was $10,200 at 18.25% apr. Thought i was getting a deal as they claimed it still had its 80 miles of range. Then later backtracked saying they tested to see it had atleast 60% of its capacity left. I'm left with a 5 yr loan on something that can barely make my commute. Im at a loss.
Sorry to hear that. Do you have any legal remedy or arbitration?
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*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

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Re: Carvana - What to Expect

Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:39 pm

BakoFlow661 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:50 pm
Bought a 2012 Sl from Carvana without knowing anything about EVs. Sadly i shoulda done my homework as it looks like Carvana didn't. 7 bars at 33,500 miles. 35 miles at 100% battery. Closing price was $10,200 at 18.25% apr. Thought i was getting a deal as they claimed it still had its 80 miles of range. Then later backtracked saying they tested to see it had atleast 60% of its capacity left. I'm left with a 5 yr loan on something that can barely make my commute. Im at a loss.

Isn't there a return period with Carvana? They lied about the range, and I doubt it has 60% of the original range left - more like 50%.


If you do manage to return the car, read this:

https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtop ... 2&p=538030
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Re: Carvana - What to Expect

Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:13 pm

BakoFlow661 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:50 pm
Bought a 2012 Sl from Carvana without knowing anything about EVs. Sadly i shoulda done my homework as it looks like Carvana didn't. 7 bars at 33,500 miles. 35 miles at 100% battery. Closing price was $10,200 at 18.25% apr. Thought i was getting a deal as they claimed it still had its 80 miles of range. Then later backtracked saying they tested to see it had atleast 60% of its capacity left. I'm left with a 5 yr loan on something that can barely make my commute. Im at a loss.
80 miles? EPA range rating on '12 Leaf with new battery is only 73 miles: https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=32154.

If you were near me, I'd sell you my 11 bar (Leaf Spy SOH 81 to 83%) '13 Leaf SV w/premium w/under 66K miles for $6300. I've gotten no new interest at work after dropping the price and mentioning I paid the almost $200 CA registration which is good until late June 2020. It doesn't have CHAdeMO (DC fast charge) inlet though. I'd say it's good for about 60-ish miles in mixed driving in my climate.

Hope you can return your car and get something more suitable. Nobody should be paying $10K for a '12 Leaf. It's not even worth that much with a brand new battery. A 7 bar '12 is worth maybe $4K.

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Re: Carvana - What to Expect

Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:41 pm

Someone left me with a swipe in a parking lot. Carvana refused to accept the 7 day return. I feel stuck.

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Re: Carvana - What to Expect

Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:01 pm

BakoFlow661 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:41 pm
Someone left me with a swipe in a parking lot. Carvana refused to accept the 7 day return. I feel stuck.
If it were me, I'd insist that they take the car back after I paid a local body shop to repair the damage. You would still be better off.
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Re: Carvana - What to Expect

Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:22 pm

Unfortunately, seems like BakoFlow is another victim of the disturbing trend I pointed out at https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic. ... 14#p559014.

Here was another disturbing one in the past 2 weeks: https://www.facebook.com/groups/4377412 ... 149360435/. That guy was looking to buy a 7 bar '12 to use for Uber duties! He seemed to think that it would have either 80 or 150 (!) mile range. Fortunately, everyone who knew anything chimed in and told him not to do it!

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