DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Shopping for First Leaf and Chasing Bars...

Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:14 am

away2maine wrote:
Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:38 am
Hey there!

Just starting down the path of a first Leaf purchase. I began with a focus on 2016 SV/SL for the 30kWh battery and the longer warranty. Then I noticed a couple interesting pieces and wanted to check with the pros here.

I also stumbled across a 2014 with 12,500 miles and 12 bars showing on the cluster listed for $8,500. Seems reasonable that this might be a new battery, but is there any way to confirm this? I would presume that this is likely a 24kWh replacement, but, once again, is there a way to confirm this?

Then I'm trying to determine if I push towards the 2016 SV/SL option, These 3 pieces range from 43k-50k miles. In this group, I'm trying to determine whether it makes more sense to pursue 9 bars, which should drop to 8 within the 96/100 capacity warranty or 10 bars (which of course could be a day away from 9). FWIW, the 10 bar Leaf is the 43k miles piece.

This is the first of several questions likely to come...

Thanks...Peace...Away...
It very well could be the original pack. There are 2013's and newer with 100,000 miles or more with 12 bars. The dash tells you next to nothing. LEAF Spy is what you need.

I would be more interested in how the car was stored, charged, driven, etc. Having the car sit for years at 40-50% SOC would have a relatively small impact over time.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 13,705 mi, 93.41% SOH
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Shopping for First Leaf and Chasing Bars...

Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:21 am

away2maine wrote:
Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:53 pm
Yup...Read LeftieBikers' post right before pushing mine out.

One of the thought exercises I need to work through is balancing the lower mileage and higher SOH of the 2014 at $8,500 to the greater range, higher mileage and potential battery replacement/refresh on the 2016s falling in around $13,500. Any general thoughts on this from folks? I reside in Indy and my daily commute to and from the office is only around 30 miles.

I think a big challenge on the 2016s will be how to realistically determine whether they have had the BMS update since they are not local vehicles. The 2014 is located several states away and the 2016s are listed by Carvana. The 2014's location itself comes as a challenge (unless a reasonable delivery can be negotiated). I certainly have the capacity to use my Bluetooth OBDII transmitter and the LeafSpy app when a Carvana piece shows up at the door, but then I will have to explain what I'm doing and why I may not take the vehicle upon delivery. Any insight folks might have here would be appreciated as well.

Thanks in advance...Peace...Away...
People will tell you the 24 kwh LEAF will work but I have to disagree.

It all really depends on your tolerance to cold. Your winters can EASILY see a 50% drop in range if you like driving toasty. The 24 kwh pack is soon to be completely out of warranty and the one you mentioned is out. All 30 kwh packs still half their warranty left.

There is also a question of DC charging which you have not mentioned. I know you think you will never use it but you don't think you will ever use your homeowners insurance either. The 30 kwh LEAF charges MUCH faster than the 24 kwh LEAF. My 2016 S 30 charged at full rate (up to 125 amps) to 80% SOC while both my 24 kwh LEAFs started slowing at 35% SOC. A HUGE difference.

As far as the 30 kwh LBC update; That can be done free of charge at any Nissan dealership. Simply get it done if it hasn't been already. Since it sounds like you are buying from a car service, it likely has been done.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 13,705 mi, 93.41% SOH
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away2maine
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Re: Shopping for First Leaf and Chasing Bars...

Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:49 am

I have definitely shifted my focus to SVs or SLs built in 2016 or after to get the 30kwh battery.

A service like Carvana or CarMax seems to provide the best option since they also include some delivery capacity or another. There is a 2016 with 3,700 miles located about 3.5 hours (225 miles) away from me . The image appears to show 12 bars capacity remaining (which certainly seems reasonable considering the mileage) and the asking price is $14,800. It seems to be truly "like new."

Continue to battle with myself between a higher price, higher bar 30kwh Leaf verses a lower price, lower bar 30kwh piece that might qualify for replacement within a year or two.

alozzy
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Re: Shopping for First Leaf and Chasing Bars...

Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:01 pm

Based on your username, it sounds like your located in Maine somewhere. A 30kWh LEAF, with a degraded pack, is a gamble, since your climate likely isn't hot enough to ensure rapid enough degradation to qualify for a free replacement.

Personally, I wouldn't gamble on that as you could end up missing the warranty replacement and be stuck with a LEAF with limited range.
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away2maine
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Re: Shopping for First Leaf and Chasing Bars...

Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:09 pm

Username is deceiving. Always wanting to get away to Maine, but sadly located in Indiana 😉

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Re: Shopping for First Leaf and Chasing Bars...

Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:02 pm

Buy some Black Fly and No See Um eggs and a clear tent to house them, and you can recreate the Maine Experience at home. Don't forget to create a dead zone for your cell phone!
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Re: Shopping for First Leaf and Chasing Bars...

Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:25 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:02 pm
Buy some Black Fly and No See Um eggs and a clear tent to house them, and you can recreate the Maine Experience at home. Don't forget to create a dead zone for your cell phone!
Sounds like northern MN :D
Beautiful as is upstate Maine but mosquitos and bugs are downright awful. Sleeping in a tent it sounds like your in the middle of a beehive :(
Oh, very spotty cell service in northern MN too....
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away2maine
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Re: Shopping for First Leaf and Chasing Bars...

Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:26 am

Been pulled away for a bit too long...

Love the conversation on Maine and Minnesota. This is our preferred summer climate and we have spent months over the last several summers in both locations. They both have their draws, but flying pests are not one of them.

Coming to the realization that places like Carvana and CarMax are a little pricey on most of the Leafs they have in stock. I came to the realization that if I can pull a 6,000 pound camper with the GL450, I can probably pull a 2016 Leaf home from a dealership. This has drawn me to the two below:

2016 SV - 1 owner in Iowa - 3,700 miles - 10 bars - $14,800 (at an "fixed price" dealership)

2016 SV - 1 owner in Kentucky - 35,500 miles - 11 bars - $12,900 (at Nissan dealership)

In either case I would be taking bluetooth adapter and LeafSpy to pull data to confirm that the bar readings above make sense. Knowing the climates of both Iowa and Kentucky, I must say I'm intrigued by the bars vs. mileage on these two pieces.

I would appreciate any insight folks are willing to share on these two options.

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Re: Shopping for First Leaf and Chasing Bars...

Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:51 am

That 2016 SV in Iowa is tempting as it looks like it will qualify for a new battery under warranty soon, which would probably be a 40kWh pack. The wild card is whether or not the BMS firmware update has been done. A Nissan dealer could probably tell from the VIN if you can find one to look it up for you.

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Shopping for First Leaf and Chasing Bars...

Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:34 am

goldbrick wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:51 am
That 2016 SV in Iowa is tempting as it looks like it will qualify for a new battery under warranty soon, which would probably be a 40kWh pack. The wild card is whether or not the BMS firmware update has been done. A Nissan dealer could probably tell from the VIN if you can find one to look it up for you.
Car is overpriced and Not sure I would rely on Nissan maintaining any policy very long. Their leadership is in flux right now and I do see changes coming. Whether this will be affected is anyone's guess.
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