dmacarthur
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Location: Vermont

Re: April 2020 incentives?

Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:31 pm

I know that other than the $7500 federal tax credit, all of my rebates were state- and power-company specific (although I was bale to buy the car in the next state, the dealer participated in the program).
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Triggerhappy007
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Re: April 2020 incentives?

Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:57 pm

I'm thinking Nissan got rid of the Fleetail (electric company) rebates. I think that's why my regional rebate is $3500 for a 2019 and $3000 for a 2020. I think in some regions, there is an additional $2000 customer cash. Anyone in a region that has a Fleetail rebate for April?
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2020 Pacifica Hybrid Limited AST

Kieran973
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Joined: Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:51 pm
Delivery Date: 30 Apr 2019
Location: near NY, NY

Re: April 2020 incentives?

Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:56 am

The deals on the Plus models in my area are tempting. I've been talking to a local dealership about trading in my 2019 Leaf SV (with All-Weather Package) for a 2019 Leaf SV Plus (with All-Weather Package). This is where the deal stands right now:

Sale price: $36,748
Dealer fees: $1,690 (I know)
Trade-in: $17,500 (KBB value says $20,100 for 'very good condition')
Sales tax: (($36,748 + $1,690 - $17,500) x.08875) = $1,858.25
Doc/DMV fees: $362.50
Subtotal: $40,658.75
Cash Back for 2019 Leaf purchase: $5,000
Leaf Loyalty Cash Back: $1,000
New York State Drive Clean Rebate: $2,000
Total Cost Before Federal Tax Credit: $40,658.75 - $8,000 = $32,658.75
Total Cost After Federal Tax Credit: $32,658.75 - $7,500 = $25,158.75

Does this sound like a good deal? I bought my SV almost a year ago for about $21,700 after factoring in the federal tax credit. The dealer is offering me about $2500 less than the KBB trade-in value for my current Leaf SV, but this is offset by the fact that the trade-in value reduces the total sales taxable amount and therefore the amount of sales tax. Because of this, if I were to do the work of trading my car into Carmax or some place like that for the actual trade-in value, I would only save about $500 net because I'd be paying significantly more sales tax at 8.875% if I buy a new car with no trade-in.

Most importantly, if I trade in my 2019 Leaf SV, will I have to give back the federal tax credit that I received for purchasing it last year? I can't find anything on the internet saying that I would have to pay it back, but if I did, then that would effectively make this current deal $7500 more expensive.
2019 Leaf SV (silver) with All-Weather Package

Triggerhappy007
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Re: April 2020 incentives?

Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:28 am

Kieran973 wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:56 am
The deals on the Plus models in my area are tempting. I've been talking to a local dealership about trading in my 2019 Leaf SV (with All-Weather Package) for a 2019 Leaf SV Plus (with All-Weather Package). This is where the deal stands right now:

Sale price: $36,748
Dealer fees: $1,690 (I know)
Trade-in: $17,500 (KBB value says $20,100 for 'very good condition')
Sales tax: (($36,748 + $1,690 - $17,500) x.08875) = $1,858.25
Doc/DMV fees: $362.50
Subtotal: $40,658.75
Cash Back for 2019 Leaf purchase: $5,000
Leaf Loyalty Cash Back: $1,000
New York State Drive Clean Rebate: $2,000
Total Cost Before Federal Tax Credit: $40,658.75 - $8,000 = $32,658.75
Total Cost After Federal Tax Credit: $32,658.75 - $7,500 = $25,158.75

Does this sound like a good deal? I bought my SV almost a year ago for about $21,700 after factoring in the federal tax credit. The dealer is offering me about $2500 less than the KBB trade-in value for my current Leaf SV, but this is offset by the fact that the trade-in value reduces the total sales taxable amount and therefore the amount of sales tax. Because of this, if I were to do the work of trading my car into Carmax or some place like that for the actual trade-in value, I would only save about $500 net because I'd be paying significantly more sales tax at 8.875% if I buy a new car with no trade-in.

Most importantly, if I trade in my 2019 Leaf SV, will I have to give back the federal tax credit that I received for purchasing it last year? I can't find anything on the internet saying that I would have to pay it back, but if I did, then that would effectively make this current deal $7500 more expensive.
No, you do not have to pay the $7500 back. You mentioned about a $2000 NY rebate, did you get a similar rebate when you bought your car? I ask because in some states, you have to own the vehicle for a set amount of time before you sell it or you may have to repay some or all of that rebate.

I would entertain offers from another dealer from the area. That dealer is definitely ripping you off on the dealer fees and trade in (may be market price because of COVID-19).
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2020 Pacifica Hybrid Limited AST

Kieran973
Posts: 130
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Delivery Date: 30 Apr 2019
Location: near NY, NY

Re: April 2020 incentives?

Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:39 am

I did get the $2,000 NY rebate on my current Leaf, yes. I have seen similar language online that if you sell your car before 3 years, you "may" have to pay some of that $2,000 back, but this use of the word "may" says to me that they don't know/care what their actual policy is.

Agreed on the rip off dealer fees and trade-in value. The thing is that every single car dealership I've ever bought from has balked at the idea of paying me the actual KBB trade-in value. They have all sorts of excuses. My argument is always: what's the point of having objective standards of valuing used cars if dealers don't honor them? But what always happens is that the trade-in offer from the dealer is A.) a few grand lower than the KBB value, but importantly B.) just high enough to make it a waste of time to try selling my used car somewhere else because this would mean paying $1-2K higher sales tax on the new car purchase.
2019 Leaf SV (silver) with All-Weather Package

NonSequitur
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Re: April 2020 incentives?

Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:24 pm

I live in Florida, so no state incentives at all. If I buy from an incentive-rich State like Colorado, would I do better? (Though there are transport costs). Is this discussed in another thread?

Are May incentives typically better than April?

LeftieBiker
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Location: Upstate New York, US

Re: April 2020 incentives?

Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:10 pm

NonSequitur wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:24 pm
I live in Florida, so no state incentives at all. If I buy from an incentive-rich State like Colorado, would I do better? (Though there are transport costs). Is this discussed in another thread?

Are May incentives typically better than April?
If you can find incentives that apply equally to out of state buyers, transporting the car costs roughly in the $600 range.


I've started the ball rolling on "upgrading" my 2018 SL to a 2020 SV+ with Tech and Weather packages, hopefully for the same payment and very little out of pocket. The very helpful salesman who helped me lease the SL is still there, and is looking into it.
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dmacarthur
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Location: Vermont

Re: April 2020 incentives?

Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:54 pm

We bought a 2019 in the neighboring state but the dealer was registered with the state of Vermont an as such could recognize their incentives. I do not think that you will get the state credits unless you live in state.
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LeftieBiker
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Re: April 2020 incentives?

Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:59 pm

I'd consider a 2019 SV+ were it not for the fact that it wouldn't have Around View. My last resort would be a 2019 SL+, but I'd be unhappy with a leather interior again.
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: April 2020 incentives?

Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:09 pm

Do you prefer the synthetic fabric seats of the Leaf? I really liked our 2013 fabric seats on our SV, but the 2019 fabric just felt cheap, which is why I put the leather in.

Now to find very light smaller rims with pizza pan covers for distance travel.
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