used leaf comparison

[gncndad]

2015 LeafS (with Chademo capability, used this only ONCE!) with 39k miles. Lost one bar around 30k, IIRC, can still go 70 miles with AC or heat, honest 80 miles no AC/heat. Every morning GOM shows 82-85.

Living in Fort Worth, summer temps 95-98f every day. Fully charge the car almost every night, which many here say is a bit abusive.

Single data point, for sure, but I've been very pleased with the car.

[coleafrado]

But on a different note... seeing cars with 60 kWh of battery, ready to buy, for equal or less than the cost of a Muxsan or Fenix 62 kWh upgrade, let alone the cost of the original car, really kills the economic argument that we should be upgrading batteries.

This isn't so off-topic that I'll ask: what am I missing here?
Either there are some really cheap 60 kWh cars out there I don't know about...or these battery swap/upgrades cost way more than I thought.

$14,000 for a used 2017 Bolt with an originally 60 kWh battery and 101,000 miles (many of these on CarGurus) seems like a substantially better deal than a super-cheap 2013 (around $5,500-7,000) plus a used 62 kWh uncooled Leaf battery from Muxsan (€13,490 https://muxsan.com/products.html#nissan ... psupgrades). More than $6,000 difference...

I get that Holland and California are vastly different markets, but the fact that some people have evidently paid nearly $21,000 US for a (and I hate to say this, Frankenstein) used EV that isn't even capable of doing roadtrips is hard to believe. The early adopter stage is over, people, no need to incinerate your money on bad hardware!

As new and used EV prices fall, this will become even more apparent. Props to mux for acknowledging that his market is eating itself, though.

[cwerdna]

One can find some cheap used Bolts at https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchres ... 1&zc=94016, for example.

[Stanton]

This isn't so off-topic that I'll ask: what am I missing here?
Either there are some really cheap 60 kWh cars out there I don't know about...or these battery swap/upgrades cost way more than I thought.

$14,000 for a used 2017 Bolt with an originally 60 kWh battery and 101,000 miles (many of these on CarGurus) seems like a substantially better deal than a super-cheap 2013 (around $5,500-7,000) plus a used 62 kWh uncooled Leaf battery from Muxsan (€13,490 https://muxsan.com/products.html#nissan ... psupgrades). More than $6,000 difference...

I'll give you the pricing on a used Bolt (whether I actually want a Bolt with 100k miles on it is left for another discussion), but I am thinking more in terms of used/salvaged Leaf battery packs (40/60 kWh)--which are quite a bit cheaper than the Muxsan pricing (even with the labor required to do the swap). The fact that these (used) Leaf battery packs are built like tanks and readily available makes for a bit of a different perspective.

[coleafrado]

I'll give you the pricing on a used Bolt (whether I actually want a Bolt with 100k miles on it is left for another discussion), but I am thinking more in terms of used/salvaged Leaf battery packs (40/60 kWh)--which are quite a bit cheaper than the Muxsan pricing (even with the labor required to do the swap). The fact that these (used) Leaf battery packs are built like tanks and readily available makes for a bit of a different perspective.

Hahahahahahaha.