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NorCal dealers have many SL Leaf Plus for low 35Ks

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:50 pm
by queuetee
More than 10K off from MSRP. I am tempted to pull the trigger, but my sense tells me I should wait and see in 2021.
It seems to me Nissan dealers have a very hard time to move SL Leaf Plus, I monitor the SL Leaf Plus that I like, it sits there with 36,500 for months, now the dealer discount to $35,200. I really don't know how low they would go.

Re: NorCal dealers have many SL Leaf Plus for low 35Ks

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:02 pm
by LeftieBiker
Not everyone likes leather upholstery - especially in colder climates. We also saw SL Pluses sitting on lots. We just arranged to lease a loaded SV Plus for about the same price.

Re: NorCal dealers have many SL Leaf Plus for low 35Ks

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:21 pm
by queuetee
To be honest, I don't see how Nissan can sell SL Leaf Plus with 45K price range.
VW ID4 SUV will sell in US this Chrismas for 40K with 250 miles range, a much better car
Mustang March E will sell around 43K, way much better car
Its own car, the Ariya, will sell around 40K too, and this is like 10 times better than the Leaf
and there is a Tesla Model 3 starts at 37K. The argument of no Fed Tax of $7,500 is valid here. Because of this, I myself is thinking to get the Leaf. If there was not $7,500, I would have taken Model 3 over the Leaf any day.

How can the Nissan Leaf Plus compete with those cars? Why put up a high MSRP 45K, then you give a huge discount every month. I bet no one in the world would spend that money to buy 45K MSRP.

Is very interesting to see how car makers will compete with Tesla in EVs. The only advantage they have now is tax-credit.

Re: NorCal dealers have many SL Leaf Plus for low 35Ks

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:42 am
by WetEV
queuetee wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:21 pm
Is very interesting to see how car makers will compete with Tesla in EVs. The only advantage they have now is tax-credit.
And a far better UI, build quality and interior.
There is a point to hard switches and knobs.

Re: NorCal dealers have many SL Leaf Plus for low 35Ks

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:52 am
by DougWantsALeaf
There are left over 2019 SV Pluses for under 30k around here.

https://www.autobarnnissan.com/inventor ... 1kc321209/

While we really enjoy our 2019 SV Plus, I jumped too soon last year. That said, it enabled many fun road trips with my teenagers the past year and a half, so not complaining too much.

Re: NorCal dealers have many SL Leaf Plus for low 35Ks

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:49 am
by gncndad
queuetee wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:21 pm
To be honest, I don't see how Nissan can sell SL Leaf Plus with 45K price range.
VW ID4 SUV will sell in US this Chrismas for 40K with 250 miles range, a much better car
Mustang March E will sell around 43K, way much better car
Its own car, the Ariya, will sell around 40K too, and this is like 10 times better than the Leaf

and there is a Tesla Model 3 starts at 37K. The argument of no Fed Tax of $7,500 is valid here. Because of this, I myself is thinking to get the Leaf. If there was not $7,500, I would have taken Model 3 over the Leaf any day.

How can the Nissan Leaf Plus compete with those cars? Why put up a high MSRP 45K, then you give a huge discount every month. I bet no one in the world would spend that money to buy 45K MSRP.

Is very interesting to see how car makers will compete with Tesla in EVs. The only advantage they have now is tax-credit.
I do agree that the Leaf has always been ridiculously overpriced. However, I have to say I choked on your reference to these 3 "future"cars, especially the VW, being a "way better car."

I dream of owning a VAG product in the future, because I love their overall concept, but after the QC issues of the last decade, and having been burned by the diesel fiasco, I wouldn't ever think of them as being "better" in any way. Conceptually, perhaps, but not in a road-worthy way.

As for the MustangE and the Ariya, they're not even rolling yet.

In my experience, buying used, it has been by far the "best" in cost of ownership and reliability: 4 1/2 years, 40k miles: wiper blades, cabin filter, 12v battery, tires (accident too one out, decided to replace all 4)

Re: NorCal dealers have many SL Leaf Plus for low 35Ks

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:54 am
by gncndad
gncndad wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:49 am
queuetee wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:21 pm
To be honest, I don't see how Nissan can sell SL Leaf Plus with 45K price range.
VW ID4 SUV will sell in US this Chrismas for 40K with 250 miles range, a much better car
Mustang March E will sell around 43K, way much better car
Its own car, the Ariya, will sell around 40K too, and this is like 10 times better than the Leaf

and there is a Tesla Model 3 starts at 37K. The argument of no Fed Tax of $7,500 is valid here. Because of this, I myself is thinking to get the Leaf. If there was not $7,500, I would have taken Model 3 over the Leaf any day.

How can the Nissan Leaf Plus compete with those cars? Why put up a high MSRP 45K, then you give a huge discount every month. I bet no one in the world would spend that money to buy 45K MSRP.

Is very interesting to see how car makers will compete with Tesla in EVs. The only advantage they have now is tax-credit.
I do agree that the Leaf has always been ridiculously overpriced. However, I have to say I choked on your reference to these 3 "future"cars, especially the VW, being a "way better car."

I dream of owning a VAG product in the future, because I love their overall concept, but after the QC issues of the last two decades, and having been burned by the diesel fiasco, I wouldn't ever think of them as being "better" in any way. Conceptually "better", perhaps, but not in a road-worthy way. (VW Phaeton? ALL the auto pundits loved it, more than the Mercedes S class, but during road tests, it kept stalling for no reason...repeatedly...)

As for the MustangE and the Ariya, they're not even rolling yet.

In my experience, buying a Leaf used, it has been by far the "best" in cost of ownership and reliability: 4 1/2 years, 40k miles: wiper blades, cabin filter, 12v battery, tires (accident too one out, decided to replace all 4)

Re: NorCal dealers have many SL Leaf Plus for low 35Ks

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:30 pm
by SageBrush
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:52 am
There are left over 2019 SV Pluses for under 30k around here.
https://www.autobarnnissan.com/inventor ... 1kc321209/
Indeed -- under $28k. If the buyer is also eligible for a $7,500 federal tax credit then it is ~ $20k. I'm still not sure that putting money into a car with CHAdeMO, no TMS, and a tottering on BK Nissan is wise but it is tempting.

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Re: NorCal dealers have many SL Leaf Plus for low 35Ks

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:04 pm
by DaveinOlyWA
queuetee wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:21 pm
To be honest, I don't see how Nissan can sell SL Leaf Plus with 45K price range.
VW ID4 SUV will sell in US this Chrismas for 40K with 250 miles range, a much better car
Mustang March E will sell around 43K, way much better car
Its own car, the Ariya, will sell around 40K too, and this is like 10 times better than the Leaf
and there is a Tesla Model 3 starts at 37K. The argument of no Fed Tax of $7,500 is valid here. Because of this, I myself is thinking to get the Leaf. If there was not $7,500, I would have taken Model 3 over the Leaf any day.

How can the Nissan Leaf Plus compete with those cars? Why put up a high MSRP 45K, then you give a huge discount every month. I bet no one in the world would spend that money to buy 45K MSRP.

Is very interesting to see how car makers will compete with Tesla in EVs. The only advantage they have now is tax-credit.
The simple answer is they don't. Discounting 2011 and 2012, when is the last time you heard anyone paying within $5,000 of sticker?

Re: NorCal dealers have many SL Leaf Plus for low 35Ks

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:39 pm
by FresnoFred
n/m