IBELEAF
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Re: Wholesale value of the 2011 Leaf @Auction

Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:06 pm

cwerdna wrote: Our sales tax is likely even higher than yours (haven't bought a car recently, but I'm in Santa Clara County and the sales tax rate is at http://www.boe.ca.gov/cgi-bin/rates.cgi ... IST=COUNTY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). We also have a state income tax (https://www.ftb.ca.gov/forms/2011_Calif ... ions.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;), unlike WA state. :(
it's 9.5%, we are pretty much at the top.
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Re: Wholesale value of the 2011 Leaf @Auction

Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:23 am

TonyWilliams wrote:
mxp wrote:
TonyWilliams wrote:CarMax got me $23k last week; they just offered another LEAF owner $20k with far less miles at the same location !!!
Tony, What's your mileage? I suppose that's a good price considering you do have high mileage on your Leaf. I can't recall for sure but didn't you recently do a long drive for an event?

I doubt we would get anywhere near $23k in the SF Bay Area. If there are a higher concentration of EVs in a particular micro segment of the market (like the Bay Area), then the trade-in prices are much worse, I would imagine...
It was 25,300 miles at sale. I did drive from Mexico to Canada, June 12-20, 2012, however that was with the current car that I leased May 27, 2012. The car that I sold would not have completed that trip do to battery degradation.

I don't know that you have more LEAFs per capita than we do in San Diego. I don't have super accurate LEAF data, but I think we're around 1000 LEAFs, and you have about 2500.

3,100,000 / 1000 = 1 LEAF in San Diego per 3,100 people
4500 / 1000 = 1 LEAF per 4.5 square miles (We have a lot of desert)

7,100,000 / 2500 = 1 LEAF in San Fran Bay Area per 2850 people
7000 / 2500 = 1 LEAF per 2.8 square miles

San Diego County
Area: 4,526 sq miles (11,722 km²)
Population: 3,140,069 (2011)

San Francisco Bay Area
Nine counties: Alameda, Contra Costa, Marin, Napa, San Francisco, San Mateo, Santa Clara, Solano and Sonoma. The Bay Area data shown are totals for the nine counties.
Area 6,984 sq. miiles (18,088 km²)
TOTAL POPULATION - 7,150,739
As of the 2010 U.S. Census, this larger CSA contains 7.46 million people
Right, thanks for the clarifications and the demographic data.
Hah! 1 Leaf per 3 sq miles! I am definitely seeing a lot more Leaf drivers in and around my area. ;-)

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Re: Wholesale value of the 2011 Leaf @Auction

Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:19 am

IBELEAF wrote:
cwerdna wrote: Our sales tax is likely even higher than yours (haven't bought a car recently, but I'm in Santa Clara County and the sales tax rate is at http://www.boe.ca.gov/cgi-bin/rates.cgi ... IST=COUNTY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). We also have a state income tax (https://www.ftb.ca.gov/forms/2011_Calif ... ions.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;), unlike WA state. :(
it's 9.5%, we are pretty much at the top.
we cheap in Oly, its either 8.8, 8.7 or 9.1 % depending on what city we are in
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Re: Wholesale value of the 2011 Leaf @Auction

Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:06 pm

per http://www.plugincars.com/chevrolet-vol ... 23661.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"the estimated trade-in value of a 2011 Volt, according to the NADA guide, is $29,325— or 90 percent of its post-incentive $32,780 sticker price"

Is this true?

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Re: Wholesale value of the 2011 Leaf @Auction

Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:35 pm

For the week of August 1st, the dealer wholesale range for a 2011 Volt was between $23.2K & $27.5K.

This would mean that trade-ins are generally bringing $22K - $24K.
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Re: Aug 2012 Wholesale value of the 2011 Leaf @Auction

Sat Aug 11, 2012 3:02 pm

OrientExpress wrote:Image
Why is the avg odo so low ?

I was wondering what the wholesale price might say about the Leaf price by the time my lease ends (i'm nearly half way thr' my lease now).
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Re: Aug 2012 Wholesale value of the 2011 Leaf @Auction

Sat Aug 11, 2012 3:22 pm

evnow wrote: Why is the avg odo so low ?
I can give you one data point. I was reading where year old LEAF rental cars are now being sold off which were never or very rarely rented. Many only had a couple of hundred miles on them.
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Re: Aug 2012 Wholesale value of the 2011 Leaf @Auction

Sat Aug 11, 2012 3:34 pm

ENIAC wrote:
evnow wrote: Why is the avg odo so low ?
I can give you one data point. I was reading where year old LEAF rental cars are now being sold off which were never or very rarely rented. Many only had a couple of hundred miles on them.
That's sad since rental fleets sales are huge. Once these rental companies have been burned, it will be like convincing Costco to install new EV chargers; not gunna happen.

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Re: Aug 2012 Wholesale value of the 2011 Leaf @Auction

Sat Aug 11, 2012 3:42 pm

I think one issue was that the rental cost was high compared to what a similar ICE would rent for... Many people probably said, "Why bother AND have to worry about range and chargers..."
ENIAC wrote:I can give you one data point. I was reading where year old LEAF rental cars are now being sold off which were never or very rarely rented. Many only had a couple of hundred miles on them.
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Re: Wholesale value of the 2011 Leaf @Auction

Sat Aug 11, 2012 3:49 pm

OrientExpress wrote:For the week of August 1st, the dealer wholesale range for a 2011 Volt was between $23.2K & $27.5K.

This would mean that trade-ins are generally bringing $22K - $24K.
Meaning that LEAFs are retaining a higher percentage of their original MSRP than are Volts, correct?

Of course, The Average Volt sales price was probably discounted a greater amount below MSRP, to begin with.
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