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Re: Wholesale value of the 2011 Leaf @Auction

Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:40 am

So is the $5,000 remanufactured or new off the line?
If the replacement was anything but brand new off the line I would need a capacity warranty.
1 bar lost at 21,451 miles, 16 months.
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Re: Wholesale value of the 2011 Leaf @Auction

Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:53 am

It is extremely doubtful that you would be able to buy a brand new pack at any cost.
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Re: Wholesale value of the 2011 Leaf @Auction

Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:57 am

i am curious about a standardized install cost.
it should be inclusive of labor or, at the most, the shop cost by the hour, which is under 4 hours, as i recall from my accident.
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Re: Wholesale value of the 2011 Leaf @Auction

Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:06 pm

OrientExpress wrote:It is extremely doubtful that you would be able to buy a brand new pack at any cost.

Already happened and under $5k.

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Re: Wholesale value of the 2011 Leaf @Auction

Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:32 pm

OrientExpress wrote:It is extremely doubtful that you would be able to buy a brand new pack at any cost.
California civil code section 1792-1795.8 states that manufacturers must make available replacement parts during the warranty period. Since there is 8 years of limited warranty on the battery, Nissan must sell replacement packs for 8 years from date of sale.

Since this is civil code, they aren't "forced" to do this, but if they don't, you can litigate.

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Re: Wholesale value of the 2011 Leaf @Auction

Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:46 pm

Ingineer wrote:
OrientExpress wrote:It is extremely doubtful that you would be able to buy a brand new pack at any cost.
California civil code section 1792-1795.8 states that manufacturers must make available replacement parts during the warranty period. Since there is 8 years of limited warranty on the battery, Nissan must sell replacement packs for 8 years from date of sale.

Since this is civil code, they aren't "forced" to do this, but if they don't, you can litigate.

-Phil
Ok, I'd like a new battery. Where do I sign up?

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Re: September 2012 Wholesale value of the 2011 Leaf @Auction

Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:30 pm

OrientExpress wrote:Prices on 2011 LEAF SLs continue to show a normal depreciation curve for a 2 model year old vehicle during a fall model transition period. Actual wholesale transactions show a range $19.6K to $21.7K with retail holding steady at about $25K.

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How is this normal depreciation. It shows a few grand difference between September and August?
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Re: Wholesale value of the 2011 Leaf @Auction

Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:06 pm

As I posted in my last update "Prices on 2011 LEAF SLs continue to show a normal depreciation curve for a 2 model year old vehicle during a fall model transition period. Actual wholesale transactions show a range $19.6K to $21.7K with retail holding steady at about $25K. "

The largest month to month variations in values always happen during model transition. The primary reason for that is that NOS inventory is in closeout which depresses the used market. After new model introduction, month to month variances stabilize.
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Re: Wholesale value of the 2011 Leaf @Auction

Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:36 pm

TonyWilliams wrote:
Ingineer wrote:
OrientExpress wrote:It is extremely doubtful that you would be able to buy a brand new pack at any cost.
California civil code section 1792-1795.8 states that manufacturers must make available replacement parts during the warranty period. Since there is 8 years of limited warranty on the battery, Nissan must sell replacement packs for 8 years from date of sale.

Since this is civil code, they aren't "forced" to do this, but if they don't, you can litigate.

-Phil
Ok, I'd like a new battery. Where do I sign up?
I've called around and I still can't get a price. You might have to show up at a dealership.

See if they'll let you keep the old one! ;)
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Re: Wholesale value of the 2011 Leaf @Auction

Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:31 pm

California civil code section 1792-1795.8 states that manufacturers must make available replacement parts during the warranty period. Since there is 8 years of limited warranty on the battery, Nissan must sell replacement packs for 8 years from date of sale.
Yes that is true, but no manufacturer in their right mind is going to hold in inventory (and on the P&L) a ton of brand new unused parts that may have a low take-rate. That is why replacement packs will be remanufactured.

No one would sell you a brand new pack for all the tea in China, (except for one reason, which I won't go into here), you will only be able to buy a remanufactured unit.

Remanufactured parts have similar or identical warranties to new replacement parts (BTW, which is a different warranty from a new car warranty), but the biggest difference is that remanufactured parts cost up to 2/3 less than a new part if it was available.

So we recycle the battery, it costs less, and it is just as good.

So in this case everybody wins.
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