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Re: Official California PG&E Thread

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:21 pm
by astrorob
does anyone know if the per-day meter charge for an E9A meter is subject to the 7.5% energy users tax? is it just added on to the daily taxed electrical usage separately?

Re: Official California PG&E Thread

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:31 pm
by Spies
astrorob wrote:does anyone know if the per-day meter charge for an E9A meter is subject to the 7.5% energy users tax? is it just added on to the daily taxed electrical usage separately?
I am not sure what 7.5% energy users tax you are talking about is. I am looking at my last E9A bill and the only tax I can find is the Energy Commission Tax and it was $0.15 on a total bill of $53.75 and $7 of that bill was for the meter charge. If only PG&E would just hurry up and get those SmartMeters working with E9A I would not be charged for the meter at all.

Re: Official California PG&E Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:30 pm
by astrorob
Spies wrote:
astrorob wrote:does anyone know if the per-day meter charge for an E9A meter is subject to the 7.5% energy users tax? is it just added on to the daily taxed electrical usage separately?
I am not sure what 7.5% energy users tax you are talking about is. I am looking at my last E9A bill and the only tax I can find is the Energy Commission Tax and it was $0.15 on a total bill of $53.75 and $7 of that bill was for the meter charge. If only PG&E would just hurry up and get those SmartMeters working with E9A I would not be charged for the meter at all.

that's interesting. there's definitely a 7.5% tax on my E1 bill. i assumed it would be on the E9A bill as well. guess i need to read the E9A document thru again.

i wrote a script to analyze my TED5000 output and i was trying to fine tune it to be as accurate as possible...

Re: Official California PG&E Thread

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:31 am
by astrorob
astrorob wrote:
Spies wrote:
astrorob wrote:does anyone know if the per-day meter charge for an E9A meter is subject to the 7.5% energy users tax? is it just added on to the daily taxed electrical usage separately?
I am not sure what 7.5% energy users tax you are talking about is. I am looking at my last E9A bill and the only tax I can find is the Energy Commission Tax and it was $0.15 on a total bill of $53.75 and $7 of that bill was for the meter charge. If only PG&E would just hurry up and get those SmartMeters working with E9A I would not be charged for the meter at all.

that's interesting. there's definitely a 7.5% tax on my E1 bill. i assumed it would be on the E9A bill as well. guess i need to read the E9A document thru again.

i wrote a script to analyze my TED5000 output and i was trying to fine tune it to be as accurate as possible...
i read the bill again, and it's called a *utility* user's tax. either way i guess it does not appear on the E9A bill?

Re: Official California PG&E Thread

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:15 am
by Spies
astrorob wrote:i read the bill again, and it's called a *utility* user's tax. either way i guess it does not appear on the E9A bill?
The UUT or "utility users tax" is not part of the rate and is an imposed tax and as far as I can tell that I am not subject to. The rate seems to be based on what city and/or county you live in and what type of customer you are. This site has some of the rate information http://www.uutinfo.org/

Re: Official California PG&E Thread

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:54 pm
by astrorob
Spies wrote:
astrorob wrote:i read the bill again, and it's called a *utility* user's tax. either way i guess it does not appear on the E9A bill?
The UUT or "utility users tax" is not part of the rate and is an imposed tax and as far as I can tell that I am not subject to. The rate seems to be based on what city and/or county you live in and what type of customer you are. This site has some of the rate information http://www.uutinfo.org/
ah hah. that explains it. thanks.

i'll check the link.

Re: Official California PG&E Thread

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:15 am
by mxp
Does anyone with a PG & E 2nd meter know what the "cycling channels" information refer to:

PG & E tech mentioned to me but I think he may be wrong on a couple.

Channel 1: Date
Channel 2: Time of day
Channel 4: Total kW
Channel 5: On Peak usage
Channel 9: Off Peak usage ??
Channel 13: Partial Peak usage ??
Channel 99: Instantaneous kW ??

My first usage yesterday, I am showing 22kW used on channel 13, but I was definitely charging between 12am - 7am.

Another Question I have is this: I could have sworn I previously spoke to someone at PG & E that if you have a Smart meter, you will NOT be charged the E9B Meter Charge per meter per day: 0.21881 cents.

Can anyone confirm/validate these data points? Thanks!

Re: Official California PG&E Thread

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:25 am
by Bassman
I think you might have 9 and 13 switched. I think 9 is semi-offpeak and 13 is offpeak. I'll have to check my meter tonight when I get home.

Re: Official California PG&E Thread

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:03 pm
by mxp
Bassman wrote:I think you might have 9 and 13 switched. I think 9 is semi-offpeak and 13 is offpeak. I'll have to check my meter tonight when I get home.
Hi Glenn,

Please do check and confirm for me. At least, I have you as a data point.

I was told verbally by the meter tech but I think he said it wrong on channels 9 and 13.

By the way, my 2nd meter is a GE branded meter.

Let me know....

Thanks!!
-Mike

Re: Official California PG&E Thread

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:58 pm
by planet4ever
mxp wrote:Another Question I have is this: I could have sworn I previously spoke to someone at PG & E that if you have a Smart meter, you will NOT be charged the E9B Meter Charge per meter per day: 0.21881 cents.
It sounds like what you have is a GE kV2 meter. This is not a smart meter; it doesn't transmit data to the central office, so a meter reader still has to come around every month. (Hence the meter charge.)

Ray