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Re: Electrify America Network

Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:36 pm

Per WetEV, one site is open, #7 for the month and #385 total: Kearney, NJ (Urb., I-280 ex. 17A/B).

It's currently listed as 3/0/1, but that's either an error or the CHAdeMO isn't yet working, and it will be re-listed as 2/1/1 eventually.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:18 am

GRA wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:31 pm
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:13 pm
GRA wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:08 pm

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Re small battery EVs, my take is that PHEVs will simply use (much cheaper-priced) L2. At the moment small battery BEVs are dead in the water, as most people want BEVs that can compete with ICEs for range, as long as they cost more than ICEs. I recognize that there's a problem with charger availability now, but the whole point of having a problem is that someone will see an opportunity to fix it and make a profit. If there is simply no profitable business case that can be made for QC equal or cheaper than gas, then BEVs will never expand beyond a tiny niche (barring government mandates). That's more likely a problem in the U.S. with our low fuel taxes than in say Europe, where they can adjust taxes to suit.
The problem with a forward looking view is getting run over by existing EVs already on the streets.

But how many of them have CHAdeMO? After all, you're on your 5th LEAF. Granted, one was totaled, but you've still gone through 3 by yourself to get to this point, and what is the utility of the older ones? How many are still on the road, and is anyone crazy enough to use them for road trips?
DCs only used for road trips?
Too old, too slow, too limited?

You sound like you drive a gasser...
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Re: Electrify America Network

Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:22 pm

2034 Green Acres Mall
Valley Stream, NY 11581-1545
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Re: Electrify America Network

Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:37 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:18 am
GRA wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:31 pm
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:13 pm


The problem with a forward looking view is getting run over by existing EVs already on the streets.

But how many of them have CHAdeMO? After all, you're on your 5th LEAF. Granted, one was totaled, but you've still gone through 3 by yourself to get to this point, and what is the utility of the older ones? How many are still on the road, and is anyone crazy enough to use them for road trips?
DCs only used for road trips?
Too old, too slow, too limited?

You sound like you drive a gasser...

Until BEVs meet my needs for road trips, of course.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:10 pm

Per Wet EV, one site is open, #8 for the month and #386 total: Valley Stream, NY (Urb., S.R. 27 @ Green Acres Rd. E/W). Help, the Green Acres theme song is playing in my head, and I can't stop it! :(

Kearny, NJ's listing has been corrected to 2/1/1. Now if they could just correct the spelling of the town's name (EA has it "Kearney"). I'll mention it to them.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:50 pm

GRA wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:37 pm
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:18 am
You sound like you drive a gasser...

Until BEVs meet my needs for road trips, of course.
Probably before then.

Can't buy gasoline anymore would be my guess.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:53 pm

Nah, liquid fossil-fueled ICEs will be around for a lot longer than it will take for BEVs to achieve comparable to ICE performance/cost, unless gas/diesel are banned prior to that.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:52 am

GRA wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:53 pm
Nah, liquid fossil-fueled ICEs will be around for a lot longer than it will take for BEVs to achieve comparable to ICE performance/cost, unless gas/diesel are banned prior to that.
BEVs are comparable to ICE performance/cost for some users. Just not for you, and not quite for the median driver. The median driver is likely to find BEVs equal to ICE performance long before you do.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:26 am

WetEV wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:50 pm
GRA wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:37 pm
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:18 am
You sound like you drive a gasser...

Until BEVs meet my needs for road trips, of course.
Probably before then.

Can't buy gasoline anymore would be my guess.
Agreed. BEV's REQUIRE a change in expectations, attitudes and processes.

Some accept that, some don't. The upside which is huge makes that an easy decision for me. But there are others who will simply do what they know as long as they can find ONE thing to complain about.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:17 pm

There are a lot more people who will do what works for them, and won't switch until the replacement does also.
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