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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:05 am

cwerdna wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:46 am
like I-90
We call that the Mass Pike ;).

But we've got "local names" for lots of highways, like Rt. 128 ("America's Technology Highway") which is the part of I-95 that crosses Massachusetts.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:48 am

Electrify America announces per-kWh pricing in 23 states and DC. $0.43/kWh with the Pass plan and $0.31/kWh with the Pass+ plan.

https://media.electrifyamerica.com/en-u ... nabTwCVLRg
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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:10 am

GetOffYourGas wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:48 am
Electrify America announces per-kWh pricing in 23 states and DC. $0.43/kWh with the Pass plan and $0.31/kWh with the Pass+ plan.

https://media.electrifyamerica.com/en-u ... nabTwCVLRg
The session fee has been eliminated, and the per minute price reduced for those states that do not allow per kWh pricing.

HUGE drop in prices, at least in the places I checked. Can be as cheap as residential.
I find it interesting that EA sets the charge fees.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:46 am

SageBrush wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:10 am
GetOffYourGas wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:48 am
Electrify America announces per-kWh pricing in 23 states and DC. $0.43/kWh with the Pass plan and $0.31/kWh with the Pass+ plan.

https://media.electrifyamerica.com/en-u ... nabTwCVLRg
The session fee has been eliminated, and the per minute price reduced for those states that do not allow per kWh pricing.

HUGE drop in prices, at least in the places I checked. Can be as cheap as residential.
I find it interesting that EA sets the charge fees.
For my intended use case, it's a huge price increase. :( I guess I won't be subscribing to Pass+ anytime soon or using EA except in emergencies/road trips.

Previously, Pass+ for my power level was 18 cents/minute w/no session fee. Monthly fee was $4/mo.

If charging a Bolt from 0 to ~50ish % SoC and the battery's not too cold, it'll hit a sustained 54 to 55 kW. During that time, at 18 cents/minute, it's effectively 18 cents/kWh if I cut it off once I hit the first taper at about 50% SoC to ~37 kW. My marginal cost at home to charge (I can only do L1) is IIRC ~31.6 cents/kWh due to Pacific Gouge & Extort.

Sure, if I were to go to full or had a slow charging rate (e.g. cold battery), yeah, this is probably a price drop...

My original intent if I couldn't get free/cheap enough charging via https://drivethearc.com/ or other means was to use EA for the 0 to ~50% SoC portions since charging at home is so expensive. Argh. I wish I could choose between the old per time pricing or new per kWh pricing in CA.

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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:31 am

cwerdna wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:46 am
For my intended use case, it's a huge price increase.
Owning a Bolt can definitely suck. :lol:
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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:34 am

SageBrush wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:31 am
cwerdna wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:46 am
For my intended use case, it's a huge price increase.
Owning a Bolt can definitely suck. :lol:
:| :roll: Well, FWIW, it's not like the per kWh pricing is any different for any vehicle on EA. My old use case to charge on EA for ~18 cents/kWh so long as I'm below ~50% SoC is now not possible. It's not possible on any vehicle w/EA now in CA.

BTW, https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... st-4983575 uses CHAdeMO with his Tesla. Supercharger pricing nearby is either 28 or 31 cents/kWh, depending on which location.

Also, like Leaf, Bolts have no significant vampire drain nor losses when parked or plugged in BTW. The only drain there might be is if thermal management kicks in if the battery gets too hot (is above ~80 F when plugged in and some unknown much higher temp if not plugged in and car is off).

This was all mostly a non-issue pre-COVID for me. We have free L2 charging at work but for the time being, virtually everyone in my group and a group we work with is WFH. And, for now, we shouldn't be working from the office unless we have good reason to (e.g. power outage, too hot/cold at home, bad air quality (from wildfires), can't get work done due to kids, bad connectivity at home, home too small, etc.) As such, I've also been WFH as I don't want to be "that guy".

Before COVID-19, since end of July 2013 when I first started driving EVs, I'd never paid a cent for any public charging since most of my juice was from free charging at work and a bit was from free public charging (mostly L2).

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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:04 pm

^^ I was baiting your tendency to reply as if the world revolves around cwerdna. As if anyone but you cares about your corner case.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:20 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:04 pm
^^ I was baiting your tendency to reply as if the world revolves around cwerdna. As if anyone but you cares about your corner case.
:roll:

FWIW, another dude at work (who also happens to have a Bolt + a Spark EV) posted about this at work this morning. To him, the new pricing is highway robbery (his words).

Aside from Bolts, it sucks for anyone who had could effectively get juice from EA for under 31 cents/kWh for significant amounts of time based upon their prior per minute pricing. I'd wager there were other vehicles that could be charged on EA DC FC that fell into this bucket.

News Coulomb (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJqgqW ... BZa7JK5KSw) has a Bolt and he goes on a ton of road trips in his Bolt. He seems to use EA a lot. For his trips, he runs his battery down then charges from low and stops at the 2nd taper, once the car hits about ~24 to 27 kW. I'm guessing it's to reduce the amount of time overhead to divert to charge, start a session then resume driving. I'm pretty sure his effective price was still under 31 cents/kWh previously.

If he'd cut it off at the 1st taper (from ~55 kW to 37 kW), his price would've also been effectively 18 cents/kWh on Pass+, just like my intended use case.

BTW, assuming that the 1st gen Ioniq Electric didn't get screwed like the Kona Electric (https://insideevs.com/news/404273/elect ... an-konaev/) and reported below 75 kW max charge rate to EA's chargers, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb3gJ8fWW5g, a driver of one of those would also be really screwed by EA's new pricing. The car is pulling over 50 kW up until 80%. Until about 75% it's at 68+ kW.

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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:09 pm

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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:42 pm

FWIW, Texas and New Mexico per https://www.electrifyamerica.com/pricing/ has it really good at both Pass and Pass+ pricing. 1 - 90 kW rate are 16 cents/minute (Pass) or 12 cents/minute (Pass+). Even the 1st option is better than what Pass+ was in CA before.

States like OR and WA are getting reamed as badly as CA though. WA and OR are the land of normally cheap electricity...

FWIW, I'm not the only one griping about the high per kWh price. I see some like starting at https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/ea-ad ... ost-557676. Haven't had time to read the thread carefully or respond yet.

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