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Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:43 pm
by johnr
I'm guessing it's completely identical except for some of the guts.

Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:11 pm
by blobm
DeaneG wrote:
LEAFer wrote:..Let's say, yours was "stolen". ;)
Bob, let's say it was stolen 12 times, with a reasonable markup for you, of course.
I have absolutely no idea how much it would cost to replace. If it was stolen once, I'd claim for its replacement under my house insurance! If it was stolen 12 times - I'd probably arrange for some wholesale trade discount......or move to a safer neighbourhood! Regards Bob

Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:29 pm
by blobm
johnr wrote:I'm guessing it's completely identical except for some of the guts.
Yes, I would agree with that. There has to be some device in-built in the cable assembly to identify that it is the UK equivalent of the L1 coupled to the common LEAF input socket rather than a UK 'L2' connection. Regards Bob.

Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:48 pm
by evnow
blobm wrote:I have absolutely no idea how much it would cost to replace. If it was stolen once, I'd claim for its replacement under my house insurance! If it was stolen 12 times - I'd probably arrange for some wholesale trade discount......or move to a safer neighbourhood! Regards Bob
I don't think you got the point - he is saying you can arrange to buy new cables to replace your "stolen" one and ship them state side for a tidy profit.

Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:46 pm
by indyflick
Would there be any issue with the fact that UK 240v is 50Hz whereas in the US 240v is 60Hz?

Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:51 pm
by mitch672
indyflick wrote:Would there be any issue with the fact that UK 240v is 50Hz whereas in the US 240v is 60Hz?
The difference is even greater than that:

US - (2) 120V legs make up the 240V, plus a ground, sometimes a neutral (3 wire vs 4 wire)

UK - (1) 230V leg along with a "neutral", also a ground as well (3 wire)

So the 240V is arrived at by different methods, 1 pole of 230V or (2) poles of 120V

Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:09 pm
by smkettner
indyflick wrote:Would there be any issue with the fact that UK 240v is 50Hz whereas in the US 240v is 60Hz?
IMO, no Only if a motor was involved would it matter.

Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:33 pm
by garygid
I was wanting to know more about the UK-13A "e-hose" contraption (230v 13amp device) that is included by Nissan with the LEAF.

I was unaware of the UK-16A unit (230v 16 amps) that you say will be sold there in the UK, but would like to know more about it as well.

In thinking about the possible adaption of the UK-13A unit to use as a "L2" EVSE in the USA, the 230 to 240 volts is not likely to make a difference.

The slightly different "source" of the two "power" wires is probably insignificant, but a "GFI" function might be implemented differently in the UK. The UK plug (into the wall) should have a 13A fuse in it, I believe.

The 50 to 60 cycles would only matter if the AC was used for timing the Control Pilot signal, which is possible, but not really likely.

So, after replacing the UK plug with a suitable USA 240v plug, would the UK-13A work in the USA as an inexpensive portable L2 EVSE?

As a "replacement" part, or "spare" e-hose, what will it cost to obtain a "UK-13A" from a dealer in the UK?

Re: Nissan's included UK-13A "EVSE" (for UK)

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:46 am
by garygid
Started seperate thread for the UK's optional UK-16A "EVSE" unit.

Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:29 am
by blobm
garygid wrote:I was wanting to know more about the UK-13A "e-hose" contraption (230v 13amp device) that is included by Nissan with the LEAF.

I was unaware of the UK-16A unit (230v 16 amps) that you say will be sold there in the UK, but would like to know more about it as well.

In thinking about the possible adaption of the UK-13A unit to use as a "L2" EVSE in the USA, the 230 to 240 volts is not likely to make a difference.

The slightly different "source" of the two "power" wires is probably insignificant, but a "GFI" function might be implemented differently in the UK. The UK plug (into the wall) should have a 13A fuse in it, I believe.

The 50 to 60 cycles would only matter if the AC was used for timing the Control Pilot signal, which is possible, but not really likely.

So, after replacing the UK plug with a suitable USA 240v plug, would the UK-13A work in the USA as an inexpensive portable L2 EVSE?

As a "replacement" part, or "spare" e-hose, what will it cost to obtain a "UK-13A" from a dealer in the UK?
I've made some enquiries locally in UK and so far have been unable to get any info on the replacement cost (stolen or otherwise!!) of the L2 portable EVSE supplied with the UK LEAF. The LEAF is not due in the UK until March 2011, so info here is difficult to get. As soon as I get details of this 13A device or the 16A fixed version, I will pass it on on this thread. In the meantime, perhaps the following information might wet the appetite of your do-it-yourself enthusiasts: http://www.evdl.org/docs/j1772description.pdf . It's far from clear in a number of areas and some details seem to conflict, but it does give an indication of how the 230/240V J1772 EVSE works. Do you have details on the US L1 EVSE for comparison? Hope this is of interest. Sorry about my lack of knowledge earlier on concerning difference between L1 & L2!! Regards Bob