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Nissan's included UK-13A "EVSE" (for UK)

Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:38 am
by garygid
As soon as anybody (perhaps "across the pond") gets info, pictures, access to, pricing, or a link to order one of Nissan's Level 2 (220/240v) EVSEs that is (to be) included with the UK LEAFs, this is the place to "strut (post) your stuff". Thanks.

Apparently there is:
1. the "included" UK-13A plug-in model and
2. an optional UK-16A hard-wired model (see seperate thread)

Both to be available sometime.

Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:50 am
by blobm
Hi Gary. Well, it's possible that you may not get too many replies, because I don't think many people will be buying L2 EVSE's in the UK. The reason? As stated in a different thread, the standard UK mains supply socket is 240V providing a maximum current of 13A. This will enable the LEAF to be fully charged (from fully discharged) in 10 to 11 hours. Whereas, the L2 EVSE proposed for the UK, as I understand it, will have to be installed by a certified technician and will only increase the maximum current supplied to 16A - reducing the charging time to 8 hours. No details are yet available on the unit or installation costs, but I suspect not many people will pay the extra for just a couple of hours charging. Hope that this helps. Regards, Bob.

Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 3:03 am
by planet4ever
But Gary said included EVSE, i.e. the one that comes "free" with the car. He's calling it an L2 because it runs at 208-240v rather than the US L1 at 110-120v.

Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:42 am
by blobm
planet4ever wrote:But Gary said included EVSE, i.e. the one that comes "free" with the car. He's calling it an L2 because it runs at 208-240v rather than the US L1 at 110-120v.
Nissan UK do not use the nomenclature 'L1' or 'L2' to describe the types of charging, simply refer to the 2 options for charging, hence some of the confusion! The first option is the cable connection which comes FREE with the car and which will plug into a UK's normal 230V 13A mains supply socket, which (apart from the voltage) I equated to your L1 connection. The other, which we have to PAY for and which I described, is a separate, wall-mounted box which will provide a 230V 16A supply to the LEAF. This is derived from the normal UK mains domestic supply which runs at 230V. Since Gary asked how much it was going to cost, I assumed he meant the latter option, which I thought was roughly equivalent to your 'L2', again, apart from the voltage. Where he used the word 'includes', I thought he meant including the UK - but I could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time!
Hope this helps. Regards Bob

Pre-ordered LEAF, colour Blue, 1st September
(We cannot order until December)

Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:21 am
by smkettner
planet4ever wrote:But Gary said included EVSE, i.e. the one that comes "free" with the car. He's calling it an L2 because it runs at 208-240v rather than the US L1 at 110-120v.
Does the UK version have an evse module? or does it just plug in?

Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:43 am
by blobm
smkettner wrote:
planet4ever wrote:But Gary said included EVSE, i.e. the one that comes "free" with the car. He's calling it an L2 because it runs at 208-240v rather than the US L1 at 110-120v.
Does the UK version have an evse module? or does it just plug in?
As far as I know, UK Nissan do not use the terms 'EVSE', 'L1' or 'L2'. The UK Leaf will have, as part of the vehicle & included in the price, a bag containing a cable assembly (similar to your L1, but operating at 230V 13A) which can be plugged into ANY normal UK 3-pin 230V 13A socket. From empty to full would take 10 to 11 hours. So if you are visiting a friend, you can just plug it into their socket and top up the car. It's that simple. It will be interesting to see how long your friends remain friends - unless you can come to a reciprocal arrangement!! Regards Bob.

Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:53 am
by LEAFer
Thanks, Bob, for your detailed explanation.

So what we on this side of the pond are trying to figure out, how much does Nissan charge you for a replacement cable ? (The 13A "included" one). Let's say, yours was "stolen". ;)

Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:58 am
by DeaneG
LEAFer wrote:..Let's say, yours was "stolen". ;)
Bob, let's say it was stolen 12 times, with a reasonable markup for you, of course.

Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:04 am
by smkettner
blobm wrote:
smkettner wrote:
planet4ever wrote:But Gary said included EVSE, i.e. the one that comes "free" with the car. He's calling it an L2 because it runs at 208-240v rather than the US L1 at 110-120v.
Does the UK version have an evse module? or does it just plug in?
As far as I know, UK Nissan do not use the terms 'EVSE', 'L1' or 'L2'. The UK Leaf will have, as part of the vehicle & included in the price, a bag containing a cable assembly (similar to your L1, but operating at 230V 13A) which can be plugged into ANY normal UK 3-pin 230V 13A socket. From empty to full would take 10 to 11 hours. So if you are visiting a friend, you can just plug it into their socket and top up the car. It's that simple. It will be interesting to see how long your friends remain friends - unless you can come to a reciprocal arrangement!! Regards Bob.
OK, but is it just a cord or does it have the module in the cord like the US version?

Re: Nissan's included L2 EVSE (240v, for UK)

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:15 am
by LEAFer
smkettner wrote:OK, but is it just a cord or does it have the module in the cord like the US version?
Bob will be the local UK authority on that ... but given everything we know ... a pilot signal is required. This implies the "module" is required too.