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Re: Purchased AV unit directly (cash and carry)

Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:55 pm

Bassman, that 14-50R is exactly how my house was originally built. AV wanted $2300 just to mount and plug in :roll:
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Bassman
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Re: Purchased AV unit directly (cash and carry)

Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:11 am

I know. They wanted $4300 to just put in a 100 amp sub panel and the unit right next to my main panel. It shouldn't have been more than $2000. BTW the plug is actually a NEMA 6-50 since the AV unit doesn't use a neutral, only a ground and two hots.
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Re: Purchased AV unit directly (cash and carry)

Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:19 am

Bassman wrote:...since the AV unit doesn't use a neutral, only a ground and two hots.
This is definitely good to know since it means that the AV unit can't be converted to be a 120 volt EVSE (ignoring an amperage change on the control pilot signal). Thanks!
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garygid
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Re: Purchased AV unit directly (cash and carry)

Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:14 am

If AV wanted to offer a 120v version of their L2 EVSE, it would be "trivial" (very easy) for them to do so. Probably one wire and two firmware parameters.
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Re: Purchased AV unit directly (cash and carry)

Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:02 pm

Bassman wrote:I know. They wanted $4300 to just put in a 100 amp sub panel and the unit right next to my main panel. It shouldn't have been more than $2000.
That's amazing. My EV Project quote for basically the same thing (sub panel a bit farther away, minus the EVSE) came in around $1250.

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Re: Purchased AV unit directly (cash and carry)

Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:04 pm

I received my AV EVSE Tuesday evening the 28th, but my electrician is out of town for the week, so I won't be able to install it and claim the 50% tax credit in 2010. I note that the form on Nissan's site under Buy -> 'Rebates and Incentives' now says 30%, but it still says expiration in 2010. My understanding it that the new tax bill just signed extends the 30% through 2011.

My Nissan dashboard still shows my charging dock status as "schedule installation." Is this what you other cash & carry folks have, or do I need to do something more ?

I am impressed with the detailed quality of the installation and user manual. They make a big point about the need for a local permit and inspection of the installation. I can see that the installation is not difficult and that it is no big deal, but my town's charges for permits are very reasonable, so since I have to delay a week or so anyway I might as well get it permitted. I know that there has been previous opinion that the IRS won't care.

Are most of you folks getting these last-minute installs skipping the permit and inspection? I guess you could pull the permit after the installation if you wished, but if this occurred next year there would be a public record with 2011 on it.
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Re: Purchased AV unit directly (cash and carry)

Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:13 pm

Mine is installed but my second meter from PG&E will not be installed until Monday, so the power to the unit is currently off. All my receipts and payments were made in 2010 so I'm going to claim it this year (if AMT status will allow).

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Re: Purchased AV unit directly (cash and carry)

Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:39 pm

tbleakne wrote: Are most of you folks getting these last-minute installs skipping the permit and inspection? I guess you could pull the permit after the installation if you wished, but if this occurred next year there would be a public record with 2011 on it.
I didn't. My electrician got the necessary permit beforehand and the inspector came this morning. That all went a lot quicker than I was expecting.
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Re: Purchased AV unit directly (cash and carry)

Thu Dec 30, 2010 4:49 pm

I pulled the permit and did the dedicated circuit install with a weatherhead, meter socket, 75 amp breaker panel and 6-50R receptacle two weeks ago. The County inspector green tagged it and PG & E hooked up the power last week, so all I had to do this week was get the unit, add the pigtail , mount it on the wall and plug it in. The electrical work was pretty basic and took only about 4 hours total to do. It's not rocket science.
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Re: Purchased AV unit directly (cash and carry)

Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:56 am

I finally got my AV EVSE installed. The installation took longer than I expected partly because I believe the main guy who gave me the quote did not come and this new person was a bit of novice. Also I needed additional tandem breakers and he did not have it and had to wait for his team to bring it. At the end the install went fine.
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