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Re: Electrify America Network

Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:16 pm

Paul, you're welcome. Should be able to buy it or something like it at any Grand Auto/Kragen/Pep Boys if not Sears/J.C. Penneys etc., although it could be you have to go to a store closer to the snow line to find it. I can't remember where I bought my current can, which I've probably had for 20+ years now. I tend to cherry pick my trips a lot more than I used to, and one of the reasons I tend to go to Yosemite instead of Tahoe these days is that it's usually 10-20 degrees warmer, so I haven't had to use it in quite a while.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:17 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:25 am
johnlocke wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:24 pm
GRA wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:37 pm
One site is open, #9 for the month and #387 total: San Diego #3 (Urb., I-15 ex. 8). This is the Murphy Canyon QC site johnlocke has been monitoring.
The CCS chargers are open but not the combined Chadeno/CCS station. Took a much closer look at the CCS stations. There are two cables on each station labeled 1 and 2. They are very short, maybe 8-10 ft. Rated at 150KW for each. You would need to pull in such that the charging port is next to the station. The 240VAC station is open as well. I can only guess that one cable is for cars with the charge port on the left while the other is for cars with charge port on the right. I doubt that either cable is long enough to reach across the car.

The combined station is next to the garden dept. The station is located half way down the parking space with a 4 ft wide no parking area between the station and the EV charging space and faces parallel to the parking space. both the CCS and Chademo cables are short also. If I pull in next to the station as indicated by the parking stripes, the Chadamo cable is too short to plug in to the charge port. In order to use the Chademo cable I'd have to pull in right next to the station and about half way into the parking space with my tail in the traffic lane. If they had put the station in front of the parking space it would have worked much better. It might work for a car with the charge port on the fender depending on which way they pull into the stall

I'll keep monitoring the station to see when the Chademo charger becomes operational. Looking at their pricing schedule, it looks to me that the EVGO station down the road is about the same cost except that EVGO gives me some charge time for my subscription fee where EA doesn't.
Ok sounds like you have a typical station. There was talk about queuing at EA and I could barely contain my composure. None of the dozen EA stations I have seen have

**any extra parking spaces

**cables long enough to reach adjacent spaces

**On nose in parking; Cables barely reach ports located on sides of cars.

**On drive in parking; Some have to back into the space, while others cannot align properly in order for cable to reach

**Many Bolters are having to hold the cable in place to insure sufficient contact to initiate charging session


Your pricing comment is a bit of a surprise so wondering about the details of EVgo pricing and EA pricing because EVgo is significantly more money here because

** Higher per minute fees 25 cents during daylight, 22 cents at night verses 18 cents for EA

** Whole minute billing rounded UP ALL the time which means at charge "timed" at 12:00 is billed for 13 minutes verses EA which prorates by the second.

** Added time to charge for handshake, disconnect, etc. Roughly 20-30 seconds added to billed time from machine time. FYI; machine time is nearly identical to LEAF Spy timing on the charge

But your situation also illustrates the issue for chademo based cars. I am happy to say I am seeing MUCH less CCS cars using the combo station. Thank you for that. But its still a one plug station and for the extra dime, I will gladly move on to the next station up the road (likely a EVgo multi combo station) where queues are shorter and availability of a plug is higher.
I checked the pricing for California only, figuring a 20 min charge session. For shorter sessions EVGO comes out ahead since there's no session charge.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:01 pm

I used an EA L2 charger last night for a couple hours at The City shopping center. Easy and reasonable transaction.
Just glad to have a parking space actually ;)
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Re: Electrify America Network

Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:24 am

johnlocke wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:17 am
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:25 am
johnlocke wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:24 pm

The CCS chargers are open but not the combined Chadeno/CCS station. Took a much closer look at the CCS stations. There are two cables on each station labeled 1 and 2. They are very short, maybe 8-10 ft. Rated at 150KW for each. You would need to pull in such that the charging port is next to the station. The 240VAC station is open as well. I can only guess that one cable is for cars with the charge port on the left while the other is for cars with charge port on the right. I doubt that either cable is long enough to reach across the car.

The combined station is next to the garden dept. The station is located half way down the parking space with a 4 ft wide no parking area between the station and the EV charging space and faces parallel to the parking space. both the CCS and Chademo cables are short also. If I pull in next to the station as indicated by the parking stripes, the Chadamo cable is too short to plug in to the charge port. In order to use the Chademo cable I'd have to pull in right next to the station and about half way into the parking space with my tail in the traffic lane. If they had put the station in front of the parking space it would have worked much better. It might work for a car with the charge port on the fender depending on which way they pull into the stall

I'll keep monitoring the station to see when the Chademo charger becomes operational. Looking at their pricing schedule, it looks to me that the EVGO station down the road is about the same cost except that EVGO gives me some charge time for my subscription fee where EA doesn't.
Ok sounds like you have a typical station. There was talk about queuing at EA and I could barely contain my composure. None of the dozen EA stations I have seen have

**any extra parking spaces

**cables long enough to reach adjacent spaces

**On nose in parking; Cables barely reach ports located on sides of cars.

**On drive in parking; Some have to back into the space, while others cannot align properly in order for cable to reach

**Many Bolters are having to hold the cable in place to insure sufficient contact to initiate charging session


Your pricing comment is a bit of a surprise so wondering about the details of EVgo pricing and EA pricing because EVgo is significantly more money here because

** Higher per minute fees 25 cents during daylight, 22 cents at night verses 18 cents for EA

** Whole minute billing rounded UP ALL the time which means at charge "timed" at 12:00 is billed for 13 minutes verses EA which prorates by the second.

** Added time to charge for handshake, disconnect, etc. Roughly 20-30 seconds added to billed time from machine time. FYI; machine time is nearly identical to LEAF Spy timing on the charge

But your situation also illustrates the issue for chademo based cars. I am happy to say I am seeing MUCH less CCS cars using the combo station. Thank you for that. But its still a one plug station and for the extra dime, I will gladly move on to the next station up the road (likely a EVgo multi combo station) where queues are shorter and availability of a plug is higher.
I checked the pricing for California only, figuring a 20 min charge session. For shorter sessions EVGO comes out ahead since there's no session charge.
Looking at best price options only. For one time, infrequent uses, I don't care. A plug is better than walking any day no matter what the cost.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:10 pm

449 Canal Street
Somerville, MA 02145
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#49
Most everything around here is wet during the rainy season. And the rainy season is long.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:32 pm

Per WetEV 1 site is open, #10 for the month and #388 total: Somerville, MA (Urb., I-93 ex. 28/29). It's just NW of Boston so doesn't add much coverage.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:04 pm

smkettner wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:01 pm
I used an EA L2 charger last night for a couple hours at The City shopping center. Easy and reasonable transaction.
Just glad to have a parking space actually ;)
Ok seems odd that the hold on my VISA is a full $50. I have good faith the $4 will post correctly however if I had a debit card it might seem a bit excessive.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:57 am

1385 CA-58 BUS
Mojave, CA 93501
WetEV
#49
Most everything around here is wet during the rainy season. And the rainy season is long.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:04 pm

WetEV wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:57 am
1385 CA-58 BUS
Mojave, CA 93501
Woo Hoo!

I'll have to stop by there and check sometime.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:18 pm

danrjones wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:04 pm
WetEV wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:57 am
1385 CA-58 BUS
Mojave, CA 93501
Woo Hoo!

I'll have to stop by there and check sometime.
Please do Dan. This is an important station for a lot of us. And it is indeed Woo Hoo! Maybe Coso Junction is finally on tap and the East Side will be open!

EA has had lots of problems with new stations so we need some drivers to test it as soon as possible.

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