DougWantsALeaf
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Re: Electrify America Network

Thu May 07, 2020 6:27 pm

https://www.google.com/amp/s/insideevs. ... urvey/amp/

Tell EA we want more Chademo stalls at each stop.
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WetEV
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Re: Electrify America Network

Thu May 07, 2020 8:30 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 6:27 pm
https://www.google.com/amp/s/insideevs. ... urvey/amp/

Tell EA we want more Chademo stalls at each stop.
Why should VW pay for Nissan's charging stalls?
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Electrify America Network

Fri May 08, 2020 6:21 am

WetEV wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 8:30 pm
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 6:27 pm
https://www.google.com/amp/s/insideevs. ... urvey/amp/

Tell EA we want more Chademo stalls at each stop.
Why should VW pay for Nissan's charging stalls?
Cause DOJ made em do it. There is little doubt in my mind that VW would not have put up a single station for anyone without the DOJ's help.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 10,081 mi, 95.03% SOH
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GetOffYourGas
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Re: Electrify America Network

Fri May 08, 2020 9:58 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 6:21 am
WetEV wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 8:30 pm
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 6:27 pm
https://www.google.com/amp/s/insideevs. ... urvey/amp/

Tell EA we want more Chademo stalls at each stop.
Why should VW pay for Nissan's charging stalls?
Cause DOJ made em do it. There is little doubt in my mind that VW would not have put up a single station for anyone without the DOJ's help.
VW has done what the DOJ requires. In terms of CHAdeMO, they have done exactly the minimum and nothing more. I don't see them doing any more unless the minimum is changed. It's just not a compelling business case to lose more money than they already have just to support a competitor's EV. I can't see them ever breaking even on investing in more CHAdeMO ports.
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webeleafowners
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Re: Electrify America Network

Fri May 08, 2020 5:25 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 9:58 am
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 6:21 am
WetEV wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 8:30 pm


Why should VW pay for Nissan's charging stalls?
Cause DOJ made em do it. There is little doubt in my mind that VW would not have put up a single station for anyone without the DOJ's help.
VW has done what the DOJ requires. In terms of CHAdeMO, they have done exactly the minimum and nothing more. I don't see them doing any more unless the minimum is changed. It's just not a compelling business case to lose more money than they already have just to support a competitor's EV. I can't see them ever breaking even on investing in more CHAdeMO ports.
I think it depends where you are. In BC the vast number of EV’s on the road are Chademo compatible. Not having at least as many Chademo handles as CCS would be cutting your own throat. Tesla’s here are the biggest Chademo customer. There are I believe 16 Tesla Supercharger locations in the province and about 155 Chademo locations. If you travel anywhere off the main trans Canada route through here you’ll need a Chademo adapter and station. I don’t see that changing in the next decade. Kill Chademo and kill EV sales as Tesla is still the main EV sold here.
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GRA
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Re: Electrify America Network

Fri May 08, 2020 7:15 pm

Two sites are apparently open, don't know where, making 427.
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sat May 09, 2020 5:31 am

GetOffYourGas wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 9:58 am
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 6:21 am
WetEV wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 8:30 pm


Why should VW pay for Nissan's charging stalls?
Cause DOJ made em do it. There is little doubt in my mind that VW would not have put up a single station for anyone without the DOJ's help.
VW has done what the DOJ requires. In terms of CHAdeMO, they have done exactly the minimum and nothing more. I don't see them doing any more unless the minimum is changed. It's just not a compelling business case to lose more money than they already have just to support a competitor's EV. I can't see them ever breaking even on investing in more CHAdeMO ports.
So chademo handles are that much more expensive over CCS? Cause your comment makes no sense if they aren't.

Each station can only charge one car at a time. You talk as if adding another combo station takes away from CCS access.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 10,081 mi, 95.03% SOH
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WetEV
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sat May 09, 2020 5:34 am

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WetEV
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GRA
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sat May 09, 2020 7:00 pm

^^^ Thanks, I've updated the list.
Guy [I have lots of experience designing/selling off-grid AE systems, some using EVs but don't own one. Local trips are by foot, bike and/or rapid transit].

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GetOffYourGas
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Re: Electrify America Network

Mon May 11, 2020 5:33 am

There is precious little money to be made in reselling electricity to EV drivers. I'm willing to bet that EA's margins are razor-thin or (more likely) negative on each kWh they sell. Even with eventual higher usage rates to better amortize the demand charges, the margins will be low.

The only way that Tesla has been able to justify the huge expense of quick charging is as an marketing expense. Yes, it is an expense, not an income.

In the next few years, VW hopes to sell large numbers of (CSS-equipped) EVs. The EA network helps them sell those cars in much the same way as the Supercharger network helps Tesla sell cars.

So tell me again why EA (VW) would go out of their way to add more CHAdeMO handles, which only helps the competitors (Nissan, Tesla) sell cars?
~Brian

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