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Re: Electrify America Network

Tue Dec 08, 2020 6:32 pm

Garberville (U.S.101) and one unknown site have opened, and two "Coming soon sites have apparently been added, making the totals 518/148.

With Garberville, 101 is now easy from S.F. north to Crescent City, ca. 20 miles south of the Oregon border. It's around 230 miles from C.C. to the "Coming soon" site in Newport. Presumably at least one and hopefully two (or more) sites in between Crescent City and Newport will eventually be built. Bandon and Reedsport would work, but there are several other options.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:45 pm

Electrify America has partnered with NYPA (New York Power Authority) to build a station in Oneonta, NY. I know that EA is not paying for the hardware, NYPA is. What EA is doing is providing the network services for access and billing. So you can pull up and use the EA app (or credit card), the same as any EA-funded site, and EA will send you the bill. It also shows up on EA's app and website.

I wonder, how many of their other sites have similar arrangements? Is there any way to tell?
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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:48 pm

^^^
Sound like a result of https://media.electrifyamerica.com/en-us/releases/119 (" Electrify America Launches New Enterprise Offering Customized Business-to-Business Charging Solutions") which is kinda laughable considering the not so great reliability of their hardware when you arrive to try charging. And, the hardware can be in the ground yet not operational for many many months.

As as a result of submitting input from for their next phase, i was invited to a webinar that happened this morning but it was too early in the morning for me, so I passed. I would've been too tired for either it or my actual day job (as a result) anyway. I wonder if there will be a recording that I can access.

From the above press release:
Reston, VA (October 27, 2020) – Electrify America today announced the launch of Electrify Commercial, a new business unit designed to deliver turn-key electric vehicle (EV) charging solutions to utilities, fleet owners and operators, government entities and businesses seeking to manage their own network of chargers.
At https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/elect ... nar.36895/ were some details about the webinar that I missed.
They also shared a key detail that explains a bit about how and why they've developed their network in the way they have. They are tasked EV infrastructure "investments" and with creating a self-sustaining network. Essentially, when their funding runs out, the network needs to be able operate profitably and sustainably. That explains why they've focused on higher traffic corridors with larger EV owning populations. One of the biggest threats to that long-term profitability and sustainability is demand fees. In one real-world example of a charging site in Utah, they are paying $8.55 per kWh dispensed after demand fees, and they are installing grid-tied batteries in order to offset those costs (they stated 80% or 90% of a charging station's costs are due to demand fees).

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Re: Electrify America Network

Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:26 am

Cool, I was not aware of that. Well, I have had mixed luck with both EA and NYPA's EVolve NY charging stations (their currently open ones are are the EV Connect network, but each region is bid to multiple providers).

EA has been added batteries to most of their locations in upstate NY, which should all be eliminate demand fees if done right.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:43 pm

South Lake Tahoe and 4 unknown sites have opened, and two "Coming soon" sites have been added, making the current totals 525/145.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:37 am

The other foot is dropping

I just read on Electrek that Tesla has announced a CCS1 adapter in S. Korea, to be available early 2021
I cannot think of any reason why the adapter will not be made available to N. America

I *suspect* that this is the first step in a Tesla transition to CCS1, but I don't really care. I'm tickled pink to expect to have access to both the Supercharger and generic DCFC networks in N. America.

CCS1 is bulky and ugly, but oh so practical
For those wondering -- this opens up the generic CCS1 charger networks to Tesla cars; it does not open up the Tesla Supercharger network to non Tesla CCS1 cars.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:35 am

SageBrush wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:37 am
For those wondering -- this opens up the generic CCS1 charger networks to Tesla cars; it does not open up the Tesla Supercharger network to non Tesla CCS1 cars.
Charging standards will settle on one. Tesla wants it to be their proprietary standard. Do you want to be owned by Tesla?
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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:16 am

SageBrush wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:37 am
The other foot is dropping

I just read on Electrek that Tesla has announced a CCS1 adapter in S. Korea, to be available early 2021
I cannot think of any reason why the adapter will not be made available to N. America

I *suspect* that this is the first step in a Tesla transition to CCS1, but I don't really care. I'm tickled pink to expect to have access to both the Supercharger and generic DCFC networks in N. America.

CCS1 is bulky and ugly, but oh so practical
For those wondering -- this opens up the generic CCS1 charger networks to Tesla cars; it does not open up the Tesla Supercharger network to non Tesla CCS1 cars.
As a Chevy Bolt driver, I have mixed feeling about this. On the one hand, there are enough Teslas on the road to suddenly swamp an already limited resource. On the other hand, those Tesla drivers represent a huge customer base which will in turn support the maintenance and expansion of that public infrastructure. So it's a short-term problem but a long-term benefit.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:39 pm

If Tesla's CCS1 adapter is available in the US for significantly less than the $450 CHAdeMO adapter and supports higher power levels, I could see road trippers who travel in busy travel corridors on holidays (e.g. I-5 between Nor and So Cal) and where SC coverage is lacking while CCS coverage is better wanting to buy.

The are numerous videos of crazy Supercharger lines during holidays at the aforementioned corridor.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:43 pm

As in Europe, I hope Tesla will eventually switch their cars over to CCS (-1 rather than -2) here, gradually replacing Tesla connectors at SCs with CCS as the older cars disappear.

While I would have mandated that everyone use the Tesla standard if it were up to me, that's not going to happen, and the sooner we get to one standard per continent if not per planet, the better.

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