KeiJidosha
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:19 pm

azdimy wrote:Anybody else is concerned about the ratio of SAE combo/CHAdeMO this company installs?
I m looking at 12 ports coming online soon in my area and there will only be 1 CHAdeMO plug. Seems to me this is not representative of the EV on the roads today!
Back of the napkin sample from recent Plugshare checkins;

Prunedale has 6 CHAdeMO, 6 CCS connectors with 5 CHAdeMO and 37 CCS checkins
https://www.plugshare.com/location/163319
1-i3
28-Bolt
3-eGolf
3-I-Pace
1-Ioniq
4-LEAF
1-Tesla
1-Spark

Victorville has 2 CHAdeMO, 2 CCS connectors with 11 CHAdeMO and 82 CCS checkins;
https://www.plugshare.com/location/53655
11-i3
57-Bolt
3-eGolf
1-I-Pace
6-Ioniq
10-LEAF
2-Spark
1-Clarity
1-RAV4
1-Focus

Baker has 6 CHAdeMO, 6 CCS connectors with 19 CHAdeMO and 90 CCS checkins;
https://www.plugshare.com/location/157532
5-i3
70-Bolt
4-eGolf
1-I-Pace
6-Ioniq
14-LEAF
2-Tesla
1-Spark
2-RAV4
3-Focus
1-Soul

About 15% CHAdeMO and 85% CCS
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:44 pm

If I thought "most" checked in, that might be a good foundation for a rebuttal. I doubt the check in is even close to 20%
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 11,333.1 mi, 93.73% SOH
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:53 pm

KeiJidosha wrote:About 15% CHAdeMO and 85% CCS
Hmm. At

https://www.plugshare.com/location/95447

4 CCS and 10 CHAdeMO.

Similar at:

https://www.plugshare.com/location/53959

Many of the other stations near me are CHAdeMO only.

https://www.plugshare.com/location/2694

https://www.plugshare.com/location/6147

https://www.plugshare.com/location/69581

So perhaps this is local, as are many things. Of course, not everyone checks in, I rarely do.


I suspect that CCS will win in the end, in the USA at least. Standards tend to reduce to one, with time, unless there is a compelling reason for different standards. VW and GM are likely to outproduce Nissan, and EA is installing a lot of CCS chargers.
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KeiJidosha
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:59 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:If I thought "most" checked in, that might be a good foundation for a rebuttal. I doubt the check in is even close to 20%
Agree there is no way for us to know how representative this sample is of actual activity. Would be interesting to know if existing charge network operators mine this data, and if it is used to influence future installations?
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sat Jan 19, 2019 2:47 pm

KeiJidosha wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:If I thought "most" checked in, that might be a good foundation for a rebuttal. I doubt the check in is even close to 20%
Agree there is no way for us to know how representative this sample is of actual activity. Would be interesting to know if existing charge network operators mine this data, and if it is used to influence future installations?
"no way" of knowing? Cmon, I glanced at two of the links you provided and TWO Bolters on both sites had over 25% of the check ins.

The other thing is a 6 station location 11 check ins since jan 1. so that is one every other day? at a mall, guessing a very busy one? This is simply useless data.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 11,333.1 mi, 93.73% SOH
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:54 pm

jdcbomb wrote:I agree...EA rates are on the high side...almost double of what I would expect. But they've done a decent job of locating them close to popular highways outside of city centers generally.

They apparently want to become a profitable company after the VW settlement money runs out.
@JeffN can clarify, but my impression of the EA network is that VW puts up the money to install, and then maintain the network for (either 5 or 10) years. The consumer charges go to the lot owner to pay for electricity and profit.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:29 pm

Five more sites have opened, for 21 this month and 81 total: Mt. Home, ID (Jct. I-84/U.S. 20); Fountain, CO (I-25, just S. of Colorado Springs); Stafford. TX (S.R. 8 near I-69, SW of Houston); Williamsburg, IA (I-80 W. of Iowa City); Paducah, KY (Jct. I-24/U.S. 79).

With extreme care, it's just possible to get to Council Bluffs, IA (217 miles via I-80), Rockford (201 miles via I-80/88/39, but 190 using SR.2 for part) and/or Woodridge, IL (228 via I-80/88) from Williamsburg. Paducah makes it possible to drive with great care from St. Louis to Atlanta. Mt. Home connects to Elko (194 miles) and Huntington (138), so you could get to Pendleton and the Tri-Cities', FWIW. Fountain opens up Pueblo and, with extreme care, Taos (206 via I-25/U.S. 160/S.R's. 159 & 522) from the Denver Area. Stafford's on the way to Victoria from Houston and not much else, but it's currently the closest EA QC to I-10 in the Houston area, all three of which are at Walmarts. As there are numerous Walmarts around Houston, including some much closer to I-10, I'd expect at least one more in the area.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sat Jan 19, 2019 6:21 pm

SageBrush wrote:
jdcbomb wrote:I agree...EA rates are on the high side...almost double of what I would expect. But they've done a decent job of locating them close to popular highways outside of city centers generally.

They apparently want to become a profitable company after the VW settlement money runs out.
@JeffN can clarify, but my impression of the EA network is that VW puts up the money to install, and then maintain the network for (either 5 or 10) years. The consumer charges go to the lot owner to pay for electricity and profit.
I don’t know the exact arrangement between EA and the property owners but I assume EA pays some kind of lease for using the parking spaces. Also don’t know the exact arrangements around how the electricity is paid for. These details are not public as far as I know.

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Re: Electrify America Network

Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:11 am

Huge variance in electricity rates across the country for a single rate structure. If the host is getting anything, I would think its a simple stipend per month or something. My guess, the host pays nothing and gets nothing.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:15 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote: My guess, the host pays nothing and gets nothing.
They probably don't get compensation from Charge America, but they may get extra business at their store. If I were a business owner, I would want one in my parking lot to draw more customers (OK, I would use it to charge my car, too :) )
Edit: I've noticed in my region that a lot of these are at WalMart's. One more reason to go to WalMart, and one more reason not to go to Amazon :)

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