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Re: Electrify America Network

Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:06 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Levenkay wrote:Tesla's approach of providing more than one charging station per location would also help.
Very good point. I've read more than a handful of reports of Tesla stations going down but I cannot think of an occurrence where the entire location went down due to malfunction.

So CCS is better off in that regard than poor CHAdeMO
There have been a few occurrences with entire SC sites going down, usually but not always shortly after opening. I haven't been following TMC the way I used to so I don't know if it's still happening occasionally, but it definitely has in the past. I'm not counting those site shutdowns due to power grid failure from natural or technical causes, which aren't under Tesla's or any other PEV manfuacturer's control.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:17 pm

Three sites have opened, making 19 for the month and 251 total: Albuquerque, NM (N.E. of the Jct. I-25/40); Waterloo, NY (Jct. I-90/S.R. 108); Cinncinnati, OH (Jct. I-71/275).

AQE completes the I-25 to I-40 dogleg between Santa Fe and Grants, and with ultra care it's possible to reach Deming (238 miles) or even El Paso (280 miles), in either case using lots of parallel side roads instead of I-25. It's a big site, 9 CCS/1 dual.

Cinncinati is another 9 CCS/1dual site, and makes it much easier to access Kentucky, Tennessee and points south when coming from I-70 east.

Waterloo finally makes Syracuse/Utica - Buffalo practical rather than possible (is that cheering I hear from GetOffYourGas? :lol: ), and awaits the opening of the equally-long delayed Herkimer to make all of I-90 from Albany westward practical.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:35 pm

GRA wrote:Waterloo finally makes Syracuse/Utica - Buffalo practical rather than possible (is that cheering I hear from GetOffYourGas? :lol: ), and awaits the opening of the equally-long delayed Herkimer to make all of I-90 from Albany westward practical.
Oh I've been cheering since I got the text at about 2:30pm EDT today (I signed up for alerts via the app). This is the 3rd-most important planned EA station for my travels. Still waiting on Herkimer (#1) and Albany (#2). Albany is well covered by EVGo, so I-90 travelers have options there. But it is a long stretch from Albany to Waterloo - almost 200 miles.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:28 pm

Ennis, TX (Jct,. I-45/S.R. 34) is open, #20 for the month and #252 total. This makes all of I-45 between Dallas and Houston practical.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:08 pm

Evoforce wrote:Kalamazoo MI EA (worked) after 30 minutes of messing with equipment reboot. Collinsville IL EA (worked). Park Ridge MO EA (worked). Casey's General Store Lebanon MO EA (worked). Vinita OK EA (not working) no matter what was tried!!! Bristol OK EA (not working) no matter what was tried!!! Grants NM EA listed first as broken but was relisted repaired 1 hour before arrival and was pleased that it was (working) but machine sounded abnormal. So, a total of 8 locations tried and 2 of the stations left me stranded. I was very unhappy with the 2 that didn't work as they were listed as working.

Tesla Supercharging was the primary charge station type used. Model S towing over 7,000 cargo trailer. Total weight of full vehicle and full trailer 12,240 lbs. 7 of the 8 EA station layouts did not accommodate well for towing a trailer. The one that did was a pull through station in Kalamazoo MI.
It also has been reported to me that almost none of the EA stations in Arizona work. Problems at Buckeye, New River and Casa Grande that still doesn't work. When I talked to a representative, they said that they are working on training repairmen to address the equipment breakdowns.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:16 pm

Most of the stations have been flaky. I don’t know if they bought cheap equipment or what...
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Re: Electrify America Network

Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:56 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:Most of the stations have been flaky. I don’t know if they bought cheap equipment or what...
A lot of them are ABB. That company has not had a good track record in AZ at Nissan Dealerships. For one thing, companies haven't learned yet about the need to shade the equipment and customers in hot climates. Solar shading would be good! :)
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Re: Electrify America Network

Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:06 pm

The joke about ABB == Another Broken Box. In all seriousness, they're a pretty large company and I'd figure their equipment should be at least ok.

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Re: Electrify America Network

Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:28 am

cwerdna wrote:The joke about ABB == Another Broken Box. In all seriousness, they're a pretty large company and I'd figure their equipment should be at least ok.
I've said it before, but the breakage rate of public charging stations in general is shockingly high, to me. There's something fundamentally wrong here. I don't know what it is.

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Re: Electrify America Network

Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:21 am

I think the business model is still figuring itself out. Outside of Tesla, who understands part of the car purchase price is the network, there isn’t a Shell or BP yet in the fast charging world to truly provide the same profitable service.

I had thought 6 years ago, Nissan, GM, and others would hub a network off of their dealers, but they haven’t adjusted to the new model.

It’s why Tesla continues to excel in spite of doubters. It’s also why upstarts can beat better funded established players (unless they are bought by one). Profitable companies (ex Blackberry) don’t know how to rationalize the investment needed. I do believe Google and a couple others are trying to shift that concept, but more exception than common place.

All that said, still happy EA is offering more options, even if flaky. Its why i am very happy to pay for power on road trips, even if it’s almost as much as gas equivalent.
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