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Re: Electrify America Network

Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:29 am

Guy,

CEC staff is saying that the stalled EA stations in California should resume activity after fire season. The utilities are focused on fire prevention and not EVs. Translation: year end or early next year.

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Re: Electrify America Network

Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:06 am

Geneseo IL Chademo is now down.

Any confirmed installs of EA with 2 Chademo handles yet?
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:38 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:06 am
Any confirmed installs of EA with 2 Chademo handles yet?
Why would anyone expect this?

VW is not building and very likely will not build cars with Chademo, excluding for Japan. Expect exactly what the court settlement requires, and not one more. I'd also expect EA/VW to eventually stop building any Chademo stations, and sometime after that removing the Chademo plugs EA has installed.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:05 pm

Paul, thanks for the info. So, probably November or December before they start up again, just in time for snow to make construction difficult. Ah well.

Sparks, NV (I-80 ex. 20) is open, #2 for the month and #287 total. This doesn't really add much for people traveling along I-80 except redundancy/ extra capacity with Fernley 28 miles to the east, but may be of use for those traveling west on I-80 who will turn onto 395.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:07 pm

WetEV wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:38 am
and sometime after that removing the Chademo plugs EA has installed.
Why ?
The station is not limited to CHAdeMO. The only reason I can think of taking the trouble to remove the cable would be if it broke and the replacement is simpler/cheaper with a CCS cable. That would presumably require the consent of the regulatory agencies.

I think the more interesting question is whether EA will eventually successfuly (and reliably) install 200 Amp CHAdeMO. For now EA is plentiful 350 kW CCS along with ONE, 50 kW, often broken, CHAdeMO.

I cannot remember the exact terms of EA required maintenance of these locations although 10 years sounds about right. At that time I expect Tesla to buy them in a firesale since I very much doubt they will be profitable as a stand alone enterprise.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:11 pm

I am very curious to see if there is a business model for EA to have with the free standing stations. They seem to break quite often. I also hope that with enough Nissan, Mitsubishi, and Tesla traffic as well as increasing competition from EVGO, the economics will drive better availability of Chademo.

EV sales will have to continue to climb quite a bit before they hit the profitability threshhold. Between Leaf, IPace, eTron, Bolt, eGolf, eMini, all the PHEVs, Tesla with adapter, etc.. they are not there yet.

As for Chademo, I do see more and more Tesla check ins at the EA stations. While the Tesla Chademo adapter limits draw to 50 kilowatts, the Chademo's generally go higher. I haven't quick charged at one in a while, but still have 73 kilowatts as my peak draw on the newer EA stations. The couple others I have tried have both been in the mid 50's.

Hopefully we can start a new thread soon on the new EVGO stations. Also, Iowa is building out a quick charge network across its interstates.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:17 pm

EA station here in Rocklin, CA along the I-80 freeway looks to go live soon, waiting to be powered up. Just one 50 kW CHAdeMO.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:42 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:07 pm
At that time I expect Tesla to buy them in a firesale since I very much doubt they will be profitable as a stand alone enterprise.
Ah, Tesla Trolling!

How sweet.

Does Tesla have a way to be profitable as a stand alone enterprise?
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:01 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:11 pm
While the Tesla Chademo adapter limits draw to 50 kilowatts, the Chademo's generally go higher.
Not so.
I think you can count the number of EA CHAdeMOs in the USA that have 200 Amp charging on one hand. The remainder are 125 Amps and less.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:23 am

Sagebrush

I can’t speak to any charger EA has installed outside of the Midwest, but the few I have used all have given me more than 50 at peak.

I will see if I can record the specs of the next one I use, but it will be a week or two. I really only quick charge on long trips, otherwise it’s just home charging every 7-10 days.
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