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Re: Electrify America Network

Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:55 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:28 am
Looks like we have another defector in Volta who announced 150 QCs nationwide all CCS only. I guess not all that significant as 150 stations is barely a drop in the bucket. They will be free exchanging ad time for fees.

I think its a rather stupid move since Chademo EVs still have more than a 4 to 1 advantage over CCS so even if they stopped building them today, they will still be around in great numbers for years.
Dave,

Would you be willing to comment (on the record) about EA's disparity between CHAdeMO and CCS connections? If I am motivated I might contact CARB about this for the California Settlement. I have a piece I plan to post shortly on this. I didn't get it posted before I left on vacation. ;)

I can contact you off line if you prefer.

Paul
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Re: Electrify America Network

Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:18 am

paulgipe wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:55 am
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:28 am
Looks like we have another defector in Volta who announced 150 QCs nationwide all CCS only. I guess not all that significant as 150 stations is barely a drop in the bucket. They will be free exchanging ad time for fees.

I think its a rather stupid move since Chademo EVs still have more than a 4 to 1 advantage over CCS so even if they stopped building them today, they will still be around in great numbers for years.
Dave,

Would you be willing to comment (on the record) about EA's disparity between CHAdeMO and CCS connections? If I am motivated I might contact CARB about this for the California Settlement. I have a piece I plan to post shortly on this. I didn't get it posted before I left on vacation. ;)

I can contact you off line if you prefer.

Paul
Sure I will comment. How do you want to do this?
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Re: Electrify America Network

Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:00 am

625 W. Telegraph St.
Washington, UT 84780

Is not in Plugshare yet...
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Re: Electrify America Network

Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:24 am

Email notification for:

401 NE Northgate Way
Seattle, WA 98125

I'm puzzled. This location isn't active in the EA Driver Portal, and isn't active in Plugshare...
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Re: Electrify America Network

Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:04 pm

Three sites are open, making 10 for the month and 312 total: The aforementioned Seattle, WA (Urb., I-5 ex. 173) and Washington, UT (I-15 ex. 10); and Flushing, NY (Urb., S. of Jct. I-678/S.R. 25A).

All are now shown as open on Plugshare and EA maps.

I've been waiting for Washington. Although it's not needed for through traffic on I-15 owing to Mesquite and Cedar City, it's better spacing from Las Vegas, and more importantly it's the closest QC to Zion Canyon, and also makes it possible to drive to Zion, to Cedar Breaks via U.S. 89/S.R. 14/148, and then to either the Cedar City or Beaver QCs. Keeping your speed down in a 200+ mile BEV, and not using much heat or A/C, it's even possible to go through Zion to Bryce, out to the road end and back, and then over to Cedar City via Cedar Breaks, but practically you'd want to do some charging in either Springdale/Zion (J-1772s) or at Bryce (14-50s).
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Re: Electrify America Network

Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:57 pm

840 Summit Blvd
Frisco, CO 80443

Makes crossing the Colorado Rocky Mountains more realistic. Still a gap between Grand Junction CO and Provo UT.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:56 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:18 am
paulgipe wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:55 am
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:28 am
Looks like we have another defector in Volta who announced 150 QCs nationwide all CCS only. I guess not all that significant as 150 stations is barely a drop in the bucket. They will be free exchanging ad time for fees.

I think its a rather stupid move since Chademo EVs still have more than a 4 to 1 advantage over CCS so even if they stopped building them today, they will still be around in great numbers for years.
Dave,

Would you be willing to comment (on the record) about EA's disparity between CHAdeMO and CCS connections? If I am motivated I might contact CARB about this for the California Settlement. I have a piece I plan to post shortly on this. I didn't get it posted before I left on vacation. ;)

I can contact you off line if you prefer.

Paul
Sure I will comment. How do you want to do this?
I can send you my draft text focusing on EA and California. The focus is on CARB because they might be approachable. I thought I had an email for you but apparently not--or I can't find it. The gist is as described above: EA is favoring CCS and that's what VW uses.

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Re: Electrify America Network

Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:32 pm

Nebraska having a couple new chargepoint fast chargers being installed in next 30 days.

https://www.omaha.com/sarpy/gretna/fees ... 8c59f.html

One more significant gap now with EA redundancy.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:43 pm

^^^ Frisco, CO (I-70 ex. 203) is #11 for the month, #313 total. As WetEv noted, this one finally completes the crossing of the Rockies, but another is needed to connect I-70 all the way - see below).

Here's my Top 9 (was Top 10 with Frisco) of "Coming Soon" sites which are needed to initially complete EA's primary Interstate network, listed from N-S and W -E rather than in an order of priority:

California: Anderson, Firebaugh or Harris Ranch, and "Bakersfield" (all I-5); Barstow (I-15); El Centro (I-8).

New Mexico: Lordsburg (I-10).

Florida: Gainesville (I-75).

New Hampshire: Seabrook (I-95).

Maine: Scarborough (I-95).


In addition to the above, there are several sites which aren't yet on the "Coming Soon" map, but which in some cases are as or more critical than the above. It's curious that the west coast remains unconnected in practical terms (which I'm defining as <= 140 mile legs between sites) with the rest of the country east of Salt Lake City, except for a single possible route along I-8/10 with some remaining too long legs, despite the high % of PEVs here. Towns/city names indicate the recommended area rather than the specific site:

I-8: Gila Bend, AZ.

I-10: Blythe, CA.

I-70: Green River, UT. This is the single most valuable site on both lists, as it will connect the east to both the PNW (via U.S. 6 in UT) and SoCal via I-15.

I-80: W. Wendover, UT. In addition, Lovelock & Wells NV, and maybe Lake Point, UT.

I-84: Twin Falls, ID (to connect with Wells for people driving to/from Grand Teton/Yellowstone and Norcal.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:54 pm

paulgipe wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:56 pm
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:18 am
paulgipe wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:55 am


Dave,

Would you be willing to comment (on the record) about EA's disparity between CHAdeMO and CCS connections? If I am motivated I might contact CARB about this for the California Settlement. I have a piece I plan to post shortly on this. I didn't get it posted before I left on vacation. ;)

I can contact you off line if you prefer.

Paul
Sure I will comment. How do you want to do this?
I can send you my draft text focusing on EA and California. The focus is on CARB because they might be approachable. I thought I had an email for you but apparently not--or I can't find it. The gist is as described above: EA is favoring CCS and that's what VW uses.

Paul
pgipe@igc.org

Paul, you might also include a mention of EA's pricing, as that too favors their vehicles. Allowing the customer to chose their charge rate will minimize the customer's costs while also reducing the max. demand. I've already suggested the need for this to Kia themselves to provide a means to do this on the car (or just reduce the max. charging rate from 77-78 kW to 75): I assume that EA has no incentive outside of government regs to do this, as Kia/Hyundai BEVs manage to charge both too slowly and also a bit too fast.

To prevent VW from further gaming this by changing the charging rate break points, ISTM best to allow the max. rate to be selected either on the car, or ideally on the charger. Alternatively, EA should charge by the actual rate being drawn at a given time, rather than by the max. rate the car could draw at any time, i.e. a Niro would start the charge paying the 76-125kW rate, then once the charge rate dropped off to <=75kW you'd pay that rate.
Guy [I have lots of experience designing/selling off-grid AE systems, some using EVs but don't own one. Local trips are by foot, bike and/or rapid transit].

The 'best' is the enemy of 'good enough'. Copper shot, not Silver bullets.

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