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Outdoor Domestic charging?

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:59 am
by booder
Hi All,

First post here.

We have ordered our Leaf , which we pick up in August. We are looking forward to getting it, but we have come across some concerns which we are finding difficult to get answers to online.

We were not asked about our domestic setup with regards to charging the car by the sales rep. And reading the manual I downloaded from the internet, it seems to contradict it’s self with regards to types of charging. At first is says it is best to trickle charge, then later in the manual is tells us that it is not best to trickle charge.

Also we do not have an electric supply outdoors and no garage. Before we get a charge point installed, what are our best options in this situation please? We are finding it as clear as mud at the moment, now I find we cannot use an extension lead.

Oh, and we live in France!

Thanks for any advice.

Re: Outdoor Domestic charging?

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:18 am
by LeftieBiker
The so-called "trickle charge" will work fine, as long as the wiring is in excellent condition, and rated for the load the car draws. I don't know the specs for French wiring, so I can't be more specific. Essentially, if you treat the wiring as if it will be powering a medium-sized, continuously operating electric space heater outdoors, you will be ok.

Re: Outdoor Domestic charging?

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:58 am
by davewill
There's no reason to limit yourself to "trickle" charging, whatever that means exactly in France. All forms of AC charging are slow enough to be fine for battery longevity. There's reason to avoid excessive DC charging (CHAdeMO), but you wouldn't be installing that at home.

Re: Outdoor Domestic charging?

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:54 am
by BrockWI
I could be wrong (probably am) but doesn't the EU "trickle charge" at 12 amps at 230 volts? Which is about twice what our stock 120 vac EVSE is?

Re: Outdoor Domestic charging?

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:58 am
by LeftieBiker
Something like that, and they are only looking for an interim solution while waiting for an L-2 station.

Re: Outdoor Domestic charging?

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:55 pm
by davewill
LeftieBiker wrote:Something like that, and they are only looking for an interim solution while waiting for an L-2 station.
It sounded to me like they were trying to decide what to install permanently. Anyway, the answer is the same, any form of AC charging is fine as long as it meets their driving needs. No need to avoid "trickle charging", no need to prefer it.

Re: Outdoor Domestic charging?

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:49 pm
by LeftieBiker
Yes, the wording is a bit ambiguous.

Re: Outdoor Domestic charging?

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:12 pm
by smkettner
LeftieBiker wrote:Something like that, and they are only looking for an interim solution while waiting for an L-2 station.
There is no L1 that I am aware of in France. Only L1 would be considered a 'trickle charge' IMO.

The only real issue is the convenience of getting the battery full overnight. About 20 amps L2 (230 volts) charging would be the minimum I would install.

Re: Outdoor Domestic charging?

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:25 pm
by LeftieBiker
It's possible that the L-1/L-2 cable that Nissan provides is the "trickle charge" source, in which case there really is no difference other than permanence and portability.

Re: Outdoor Domestic charging?

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:57 am
by Matty
Not sure if this will be of any help to you, but in NZ we run 240V AC.

My wife covers around 70-80km per day in our 2013 Leaf on her various errands, then we plug the car into a standard wall socket overnight and the battery is full well before she needs it the next morning. We've only had the car for just under 4 weeks now but we've very quickly got used to just getting in and driving for the day, plugging in at night, unplugging in the morning, and repeat. Both range anxiety and charging anxiety disappeared within the first week.