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Re: The Competition: 6.6kW Charging

Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:34 pm

stanley wrote:Nissan should end this marketing ploy by Ford by immediately going to 6,6 in the US. The longer that Nissan delays doing this the more damage will be done to the image of the Leaf.
Nissan won't say anything about MY2012, until they are available for ordering. They won't want anyone to skip 2011 to wait for 2012.
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Re: The Competition: 6.6kW Charging

Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:52 pm

A few months ago on an NPR radio show Mark Perry said Nissan would retrofit 2011 cars with the 6.6 if it appeared to be the appropriate thing to do. Sometimes it takes large corporations to long to make a decision that is obvious. Too much bureaucracy and too much influence by financial execs can be harmful . Nissan is talking about wanting to own the EV market. the cost of going to 6.6 is small compared to the millions Nissan marketing will spend fighting off Ford. Eliminating this issue is big for Nissan. If they do, they can trump Ford in the charging area with the Leafs fast charger. Something that Ford does not have. It will also make a big difference to all of us with respect to opportunity charging.

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Re: The Competition: 6.6kW Charging

Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:39 pm

stanley wrote:Nissan should end this marketing ploy by Ford by immediately going to 6,6 in the US. The longer that Nissan delays doing this the more damage will be done to the image of the Leaf.
I'd heard Nissan already has a 6.6kW supplier. My guess is they figured out how much else needs to change to use 6.6 charger (wire gauge, connectors, firmware, software, Carwings, data loggers, aggregators, spec sheets, service training, manufacturing), so they have to wait for 2012. And 2011 LEAF won't be updateable.

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Re: The Competition: 6.6kW Charging

Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:43 pm

You maybe correct!! If so, it tells me i should wait for a 2012 model

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Re: The Competition: 6.6kW Charging

Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:58 pm

I thought I read some months ago about Nissan saying they already had a new vendor for a "6.6 kW" internal charger, and it was even LESS expensive, and smaller, than the present "3.3 kW" charger.

Did I misread or misunderstand?
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Re: The Competition: 6.6kW Charging

Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:04 pm

Yes, Gary. Mark Perry told LeafMe, SDBonez, and myself at the December "first LEAF event" in San Diego that they are indeed planning to offer a 6.6kw upgrade to 2011 LEAF owners. I think he said it would take a couple of years. He did say that they have sourced the charger, and it is indeed smaller.

He also said that they have been able to place the 6.6 charger closer to the front of the car and that would eliminate the "hump" between the trunk and folded rear seats.

For me, I wouldn't mind if the 6.6 retrofit was just a drop-in unit. Even if it took less space under the "Hump", I think it's more trouble to re-wire the car, etc. Wouldn't the least cost solution just replace what is currently there?

Of course, he had no idea about what the price would be...But three of us asked him about the 6.6 and heard his responses....

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Re: The Competition: 6.6kW Charging

Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:35 am

He also said that they have been able to place the 6.6 charger closer to the front of the car and that would eliminate the "hump" between the trunk and folded rear seats.
That would make sooo much sense. I can't understand why they put the charger back there in the first place. I'm sure if they had tried harder they could have found sufficient space in the front to put the charger. The more space they can free up in the back the better. I hope they can make the change for the 2012 model.
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Re: The Competition: 6.6kW Charging

Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:44 am

garygid wrote:I thought I read some months ago about Nissan saying they already had a new vendor for a "6.6 kW" internal charger, and it was even LESS expensive, and smaller, than the present "3.3 kW" charger.

Did I misread or misunderstand?

No, but I had that same daydream as well.
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Re: The Competition: 6.6kW Charging

Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:03 am

I would bet confidently they had 6.6 a long time ago and just decided to use the smaller one for cost and home load issues. Don't expect an affordable upgrade as it is highly unlikely for under $3K. It's unlikely the car would need to be changed for a new charger but it just does not makes economic sense as a OEM upgrade since very few would pay the high cost. If they had not put so much large packaging on their drive components to make them look like a motor they could easily have fit the charger in the front, the hump in the back could have been avoided. If you compare Nissan's packaging of components is is very large and I would expect that to change as well as the "patch fix" heater. I believe many decisions were based on easy of use and speed/cost and are not the optimal choices, the heater being a perfect example.

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Re: The Competition: 6.6kW Charging

Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:24 am

Again, why I choose to lease! By the time 2014 or 2015 roils around, I suspect that there will have been enough changes to the Leaf that resale value of the first year models will have taken a significant hit. Besides, by then, I'll likely want a number of the new features and capabilities that will be available from a number of manufacturers and want to move on regardless.
EVDRIVER wrote:I would bet confidently they had 6.6 a long time ago and just decided to use the smaller one for cost and home load issues. Don't expect an affordable upgrade as it is highly unlikely for under $3K. It's unlikely the car would need to be changed for a new charger but it just does not makes economic sense as a OEM upgrade since very few would pay the high cost. If they had not put so much large packaging on their drive components to make them look like a motor they could easily have fit the charger in the front, the hump in the back could have been avoided. If you compare Nissan's packaging of components is is very large and I would expect that to change as well as the "patch fix" heater. I believe many decisions were based on easy of use and speed/cost and are not the optimal choices, the heater being a perfect example.
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