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Re: EVgo DC FC prices changing on Feb 12, 2019

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:09 am
by LeftieBiker
I also have $5 ChargePoint credit from some Apple Pay Promo that unfortunately expires 4/9/19. Not sure I'll be able to put it to good use before then.
Does the Freecycle listserve still exist? Give it to someone who needs it.

Re: EVgo DC FC prices changing on Feb 12, 2019

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:13 am
by cwerdna
LeftieBiker wrote:
I also have $5 ChargePoint credit from some Apple Pay Promo that unfortunately expires 4/9/19. Not sure I'll be able to put it to good use before then.
Does the Freecycle listserve still exist? Give it to someone who needs it.
Freecycle exists but I've never given nor received anything. The credit I think is tied to my account.

I'm not too keen on giving away a Chargepoint RFID card (I have two active ones now) that's tied to my $5 credit, $25 of my real $ and where my account also is added to a private ChargePoint group so that I can use my work's ChargePoint EVSEs. (All our EVSEs at work are set to restricted. Only those in the group can use them. The rest are automatically denied.)

Re: EVgo DC FC prices changing on Feb 12, 2019

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:02 pm
by KeiJidosha
cwerdna wrote:...Will be looking for cheaper stations, where possible. But, over here in the Bay Area, it seems that EVgo is one of the more common SAE Combo providers, if not the most common...
I use DCFC a couple times a month and have made trips to Sacramento, the Bay Area, Vegas, and San Diego. Mostly using EVgo's DCFC sites as they are in useful locations, have been reliable, and return to service quickly if there are problems. Pricing seems reasonable and competitive;

https://www.electricchoice.com/electric ... -by-state/

https://www.electrifyamerica.com/pricing

To me, having a sustainable charging infrastructure network is worth the membership fees.

Re: EVgo DC FC prices changing on Feb 12, 2019

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:35 pm
by SageBrush
LeftieBiker wrote:
Valdemar wrote:$0.20/min was likely non sustainable, $0.27/min is probably too.
I think they are relying on the monthly fee plan, and just using the minute charge to pay for power and maintenance.
By power do you mean energy charges or demand charges ?

Re: EVgo DC FC prices changing on Feb 12, 2019

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:41 pm
by SageBrush
I doubt it is coincidence that their rates are very similar to EA. EVGo works out to ~ 41 cents a kWh.

Tesla's Superchargers are 26 cents a minute but 2 - 2.5x as many miles per minute.

Re: EVgo DC FC prices changing on Feb 12, 2019

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:49 pm
by LeftieBiker
By power do you mean energy charges or demand charges ?
Whichever the amount can help cover. I don't see how it matters. I wasn't saying (or at least didn't mean) that it would fully cover the whole amount. I assume that they come up with the charges based on what the local market will allow, not on actual costs plus a fixed profit.

Re: EVgo DC FC prices changing on Feb 12, 2019

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:46 pm
by davewill
Valdemar wrote:Didn't realize the pricing was different. Still it's hard to imagine 32c/min makes for a profitable business model with the energy cost and operational overhead.
It's a tough proposition. My guess is that the locations are covering costs under the assumption that it brings business in. I don't see how anyone could cover all the costs of maintaining charging locations based on fees alone. The biggest problem is that you can only get so many cars through in a day when they each have to sit there for 30-60 minutes. A gas pump can service a 10 times as many cars in the same amount of time. If we ever get the holy grail of 5 minute charging, that could change.

Re: EVgo DC FC prices changing on Feb 12, 2019

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:55 pm
by DaveinOlyWA
cwerdna wrote:Some folks have been notified (not me). For me, it's a price increase.
https://www.evgo.com/pricing2019/
Its a price increase for every one.

Re: EVgo DC FC prices changing on Feb 12, 2019

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:02 pm
by SageBrush
davewill wrote:
Valdemar wrote:Didn't realize the pricing was different. Still it's hard to imagine 32c/min makes for a profitable business model with the energy cost and operational overhead.
It's a tough proposition. My guess is that the locations are covering costs under the assumption that it brings business in. I don't see how anyone could cover all the costs of maintaining charging locations based on fees alone. The biggest problem is that you can only get so many cars through in a day when they each have to sit there for 30-60 minutes. A gas pump can service a 10 times as many cars in the same amount of time. If we ever get the holy grail of 5 minute charging, that could change.
That is not obvious to me.
If a station services 15 cars a day that works out to ~ 50,000 a decade. EA stations are ridiculously expensive but IIRC Superchargers are about $50k a station. So $1 a car, or about 3 cents a kWh. The accounting sheet will look a lot better once they install batteries and avoid the current massive demand charges.

Re: EVgo DC FC prices changing on Feb 12, 2019

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:05 am
by GetOffYourGas
SageBrush wrote:IIRC Superchargers are about $50k a station
Do you have a source for this? EA claims that their stations cost $1M or more to build.
InsideEVs wrote:When I asked Steinberg (who previously worked on electrification at BMW) if the stations cost $1 million, he said, “Easily.”

Steinberg added that the locations have one DC fast charger and multiple other dispensers. “Could it be $2 million?” I asked. Steinberg replied, “I’m not the expert on that, but the targets are between a half and one million dollars.”
https://insideevs.com/exclusive-electri ... -charging/