EVgo DC FC prices changing on Feb 12, 2019

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cwerdna said:
Some folks have been notified (not me). For me, it's a price increase.
https://www.evgo.com/pricing2019/

https://www.evgo.com/special-offers/nissan-no-charge-charge/

I've not paid a cent so far, but if the above is correct I'll have to go back to unplugging before 30 minutes is up. I may try another 45 minute night session, just to see. Then as the weather warms back up I'll return to L-2/L-2 charging only.
 
LeftieBiker said:
Valdemar said:
$0.20/min was likely non sustainable, $0.27/min is probably too.

I think they are relying on the monthly fee plan, and just using the minute charge to pay for power and maintenance.

Quite possible. Perhaps Nissan's No Charge to Charge and similar programs with other manufacturers help too.
 
Valdemar said:
$0.20/min was likely non sustainable, $0.27/min is probably too.

For CA, that’s just for the LA area. Prices are higher elsewhere in the state: 32 cents/minute for San Diego and 30 cents a minute outside of LA and San Diego.
 
RonDawg said:
Valdemar said:
$0.20/min was likely non sustainable, $0.27/min is probably too.

For CA, that’s just for the LA area. Prices are higher elsewhere in the state: 32 cents/minute for San Diego and 30 cents a minute outside of LA and San Diego.

Didn't realize the pricing was different. Still it's hard to imagine 32c/min makes for a profitable business model with the energy cost and operational overhead.
 
LeftieBiker said:
cwerdna said:
Some folks have been notified (not me). For me, it's a price increase.
https://www.evgo.com/pricing2019/

https://www.evgo.com/special-offers/nissan-no-charge-charge/

I've not paid a cent so far, but if the above is correct I'll have to go back to unplugging before 30 minutes is up. I may try another 45 minute night session, just to see. Then as the weather warms back up I'll return to L-2/L-2 charging only.
I haven't paid a cent either since I've never used EVgo yet. :) In fact, ever since I started driving an EV at end of July 2013, I've yet to pay even a penny for any paid public or workplace charging. :)

My current Leaf has no CHAdeMO and I hope to sell it within the next month or so. My new Bolt has SAE Combo so I might be using that inlet... Will be looking for cheaper stations, where possible. But, over here in the Bay Area, it seems that EVgo is one of the more common SAE Combo providers, if not the most common.
 
^^^
Indeed. When I signed up for ChargePoint, the minimum amount (other than $0) was $25. So, I put that on. I also have $5 ChargePoint credit from some Apple Pay Promo that unfortunately expires 4/9/19. Not sure I'll be able to put it to good use before then.

Haven't used a penny of either.
 
I also have $5 ChargePoint credit from some Apple Pay Promo that unfortunately expires 4/9/19. Not sure I'll be able to put it to good use before then.

Does the Freecycle listserve still exist? Give it to someone who needs it.
 
LeftieBiker said:
I also have $5 ChargePoint credit from some Apple Pay Promo that unfortunately expires 4/9/19. Not sure I'll be able to put it to good use before then.

Does the Freecycle listserve still exist? Give it to someone who needs it.
Freecycle exists but I've never given nor received anything. The credit I think is tied to my account.

I'm not too keen on giving away a Chargepoint RFID card (I have two active ones now) that's tied to my $5 credit, $25 of my real $ and where my account also is added to a private ChargePoint group so that I can use my work's ChargePoint EVSEs. (All our EVSEs at work are set to restricted. Only those in the group can use them. The rest are automatically denied.)
 
cwerdna said:
...Will be looking for cheaper stations, where possible. But, over here in the Bay Area, it seems that EVgo is one of the more common SAE Combo providers, if not the most common...
I use DCFC a couple times a month and have made trips to Sacramento, the Bay Area, Vegas, and San Diego. Mostly using EVgo's DCFC sites as they are in useful locations, have been reliable, and return to service quickly if there are problems. Pricing seems reasonable and competitive;

https://www.electricchoice.com/electricity-prices-by-state/

https://www.electrifyamerica.com/pricing

To me, having a sustainable charging infrastructure network is worth the membership fees.
 
LeftieBiker said:
Valdemar said:
$0.20/min was likely non sustainable, $0.27/min is probably too.

I think they are relying on the monthly fee plan, and just using the minute charge to pay for power and maintenance.
By power do you mean energy charges or demand charges ?
 
I doubt it is coincidence that their rates are very similar to EA. EVGo works out to ~ 41 cents a kWh.

Tesla's Superchargers are 26 cents a minute but 2 - 2.5x as many miles per minute.
 
By power do you mean energy charges or demand charges ?

Whichever the amount can help cover. I don't see how it matters. I wasn't saying (or at least didn't mean) that it would fully cover the whole amount. I assume that they come up with the charges based on what the local market will allow, not on actual costs plus a fixed profit.
 
Valdemar said:
Didn't realize the pricing was different. Still it's hard to imagine 32c/min makes for a profitable business model with the energy cost and operational overhead.

It's a tough proposition. My guess is that the locations are covering costs under the assumption that it brings business in. I don't see how anyone could cover all the costs of maintaining charging locations based on fees alone. The biggest problem is that you can only get so many cars through in a day when they each have to sit there for 30-60 minutes. A gas pump can service a 10 times as many cars in the same amount of time. If we ever get the holy grail of 5 minute charging, that could change.
 
davewill said:
Valdemar said:
Didn't realize the pricing was different. Still it's hard to imagine 32c/min makes for a profitable business model with the energy cost and operational overhead.

It's a tough proposition. My guess is that the locations are covering costs under the assumption that it brings business in. I don't see how anyone could cover all the costs of maintaining charging locations based on fees alone. The biggest problem is that you can only get so many cars through in a day when they each have to sit there for 30-60 minutes. A gas pump can service a 10 times as many cars in the same amount of time. If we ever get the holy grail of 5 minute charging, that could change.
That is not obvious to me.
If a station services 15 cars a day that works out to ~ 50,000 a decade. EA stations are ridiculously expensive but IIRC Superchargers are about $50k a station. So $1 a car, or about 3 cents a kWh. The accounting sheet will look a lot better once they install batteries and avoid the current massive demand charges.
 
SageBrush said:
IIRC Superchargers are about $50k a station

Do you have a source for this? EA claims that their stations cost $1M or more to build.

InsideEVs said:
When I asked Steinberg (who previously worked on electrification at BMW) if the stations cost $1 million, he said, “Easily.”

Steinberg added that the locations have one DC fast charger and multiple other dispensers. “Could it be $2 million?” I asked. Steinberg replied, “I’m not the expert on that, but the targets are between a half and one million dollars.”

https://insideevs.com/exclusive-electrify-america-ev-charging/
 
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