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Re: Electrify America's DCFC Stations Favor CCS Charging Standard

Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:21 pm

johnlocke wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:12 pm
It's the Walmart on Murphy Canyon off the I-15 at Aero Drive. There don't appear to be any other chargers nearby. I haven't checked any other locations locally where there are Walmarts.
This location?

https://www.plugshare.com/location/197263

Both Plugshare and EA show Chademo will be at that location.
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Re: Electrify America's DCFC Stations Favor CCS Charging Standard

Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:29 am

WetEV wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:21 pm
johnlocke wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:12 pm
It's the Walmart on Murphy Canyon off the I-15 at Aero Drive. There don't appear to be any other chargers nearby. I haven't checked any other locations locally where there are Walmarts.
This location?

https://www.plugshare.com/location/197263

Both Plugshare and EA show Chademo will be at that location.
That's the one but if you look at the photo it shows two kiosks with two cables each. All are marked CCS 150KW. Unless that small Kiosk on the right with a single cable is Chademo ( it looked like level 2 J1772) then there aren't any.
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Re: Electrify America's DCFC Stations Favor CCS Charging Standard

Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:30 am

WetEV wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:21 pm
johnlocke wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:12 pm
It's the Walmart on Murphy Canyon off the I-15 at Aero Drive. There don't appear to be any other chargers nearby. I haven't checked any other locations locally where there are Walmarts.
This location?

https://www.plugshare.com/location/197263

Both Plugshare and EA show Chademo will be at that location.
That's the one but if you look at the photo it shows two kiosks with two cables each. All are marked CCS 150KW. Unless that small Kiosk on the right with a single cable is Chademo ( it looked like level 2 J1772) then there aren't any.
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Re: Electrify America's DCFC Stations Favor CCS Charging Standard

Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:25 pm

The small post is the L2. However, in the second photo (from July) on Plugshare, you can see through the gate of the power conditioning equipment enclosure on the right, and well behind it, what appears to be a tall cardboard box mounted on a concrete pad. That could be the CCS-CHAdeMO dispenser, covered by its box. Is the fence still up, or has it been removed and you are able to walk all around the site?
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Re: Electrify America's DCFC Stations Favor CCS Charging Standard

Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:44 pm

GRA wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:25 pm
The small post is the L2. However, in the second photo (from July) on Plugshare, you can see through the gate of the power conditioning equipment enclosure on the right, and well behind it, what appears to be a tall cardboard box mounted on a concrete pad. That could be the CCS-CHAdeMO dispenser, covered by its box. Is the fence still up, or has it been removed and you are able to walk all around the site?
I did actually walk the site this morning just out of curiosity. I didn't see any extra chargers laying around. There is a pad to the right of the power enclosure though. There are two conduit openings that are taped closed with pull tape sticking out in an indentation in the pad. Oddly. this pad is surrounded by barrier posts making it impossible to park in front of. You could park to the right of this pad (there are two parking spaces there). I guess this might be where a Chademo station could go. It could be that there's a problem obtaining a Chademo station at the moment. It seems odd that they would put a station in that you couldn't park in front of. Also the CCS stations are clearly marked for EV Charging Only and there are no similar markings on the other side. I do see what you mean about the cardboard box and it is located far enough away that I might have missed it since I was looking at the CCS stations and the power enclosure area. I'll check again tomorrow.
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Re: Electrify America's DCFC Stations Favor CCS Charging Standard

Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:16 pm

About half the chademo’s are put at 150 KW stations. Those 200 AMP stations are able to exceed the 50 kW sticker and deliver far higher throughout.
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Re: Electrify America's DCFC Stations Favor CCS Charging Standard

Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:09 pm

johnlocke wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:44 pm
GRA wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:25 pm
The small post is the L2. However, in the second photo (from July) on Plugshare, you can see through the gate of the power conditioning equipment enclosure on the right, and well behind it, what appears to be a tall cardboard box mounted on a concrete pad. That could be the CCS-CHAdeMO dispenser, covered by its box. Is the fence still up, or has it been removed and you are able to walk all around the site?
I did actually walk the site this morning just out of curiosity. I didn't see any extra chargers laying around. There is a pad to the right of the power enclosure though. There are two conduit openings that are taped closed with pull tape sticking out in an indentation in the pad. Oddly. this pad is surrounded by barrier posts making it impossible to park in front of. You could park to the right of this pad (there are two parking spaces there). I guess this might be where a Chademo station could go. It could be that there's a problem obtaining a Chademo station at the moment. It seems odd that they would put a station in that you couldn't park in front of. Also the CCS stations are clearly marked for EV Charging Only and there are no similar markings on the other side. I do see what you mean about the cardboard box and it is located far enough away that I might have missed it since I was looking at the CCS stations and the power enclosure area. I'll check again tomorrow.

The pad you describe sounds more like a transformer pad. Is there a transformer in place anywhere?
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Re: Electrify America's DCFC Stations Favor CCS Charging Standard

Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:11 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:16 pm
About half the chademo’s are put at 150 KW stations. Those 200 AMP stations are able to exceed the 50 kW sticker and deliver far higher throughout.

AFAIK, all of EA's CCS-CHAdeMO stations have the 50kW CHAdeMO sharing the dispenser with a 150kW CCS connector. That's been the case with all the ones I've seen, in person or in photos.
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Re: Electrify America's DCFC Stations Favor CCS Charging Standard

Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:01 pm

GRA wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:09 pm
johnlocke wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:44 pm
GRA wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:25 pm
The small post is the L2. However, in the second photo (from July) on Plugshare, you can see through the gate of the power conditioning equipment enclosure on the right, and well behind it, what appears to be a tall cardboard box mounted on a concrete pad. That could be the CCS-CHAdeMO dispenser, covered by its box. Is the fence still up, or has it been removed and you are able to walk all around the site?
I did actually walk the site this morning just out of curiosity. I didn't see any extra chargers laying around. There is a pad to the right of the power enclosure though. There are two conduit openings that are taped closed with pull tape sticking out in an indentation in the pad. Oddly. this pad is surrounded by barrier posts making it impossible to park in front of. You could park to the right of this pad (there are two parking spaces there). I guess this might be where a Chademo station could go. It could be that there's a problem obtaining a Chademo station at the moment. It seems odd that they would put a station in that you couldn't park in front of. Also the CCS stations are clearly marked for EV Charging Only and there are no similar markings on the other side. I do see what you mean about the cardboard box and it is located far enough away that I might have missed it since I was looking at the CCS stations and the power enclosure area. I'll check again tomorrow.

The pad you describe sounds more like a transformer pad. Is there a transformer in place anywhere?
There's an equipment enclosure but it has 8' walls and a couple of solid doors so I can't see inside. I'd expect the transformer to be inside there. I did talk to an SDG&E guy who was there. SDG&E doesn't have keys or codes to get inside the enclosure yet so they can't finish up their work. I did find the CCS/Chademo station finally. It's 400 feet north and west of the enclosure next to the main building near the entrance to the garden shop. one EV only parking space next to the handicapped spaces. It's kind of obvious if you happen to look there. Just not where you would expect it to be.
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Re: Electrify America's DCFC Stations Favor CCS Charging Standard

Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:07 pm

johnlocke wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:01 pm
GRA wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:09 pm
johnlocke wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:44 pm

I did actually walk the site this morning just out of curiosity. I didn't see any extra chargers laying around. There is a pad to the right of the power enclosure though. There are two conduit openings that are taped closed with pull tape sticking out in an indentation in the pad. Oddly. this pad is surrounded by barrier posts making it impossible to park in front of. You could park to the right of this pad (there are two parking spaces there). I guess this might be where a Chademo station could go. It could be that there's a problem obtaining a Chademo station at the moment. It seems odd that they would put a station in that you couldn't park in front of. Also the CCS stations are clearly marked for EV Charging Only and there are no similar markings on the other side. I do see what you mean about the cardboard box and it is located far enough away that I might have missed it since I was looking at the CCS stations and the power enclosure area. I'll check again tomorrow.

The pad you describe sounds more like a transformer pad. Is there a transformer in place anywhere?
There's an equipment enclosure but it has 8' walls and a couple of solid doors so I can't see inside. I'd expect the transformer to be inside there. I did talk to an SDG&E guy who was there. SDG&E doesn't have keys or codes to get inside the enclosure yet so they can't finish up their work. I did find the CCS/Chademo station finally. It's 400 feet north and west of the enclosure next to the main building near the entrance to the garden shop. one EV only parking space next to the handicapped spaces. It's kind of obvious if you happen to look there. Just not where you would expect it to be.

In the stations I've looked at the transformer;'s outside of the equipment enclosure on an exposed pad with barrier posts, just as you described. Whether that's a requirement of the utility or for some other reason IDK. The posts can often be removed to allow access, but can be locked in place near the base.

As to the distance of the CCS/CHAdeMO unit from the others, I have no idea why they're doing that, but the site in Tracy has a somewhat similar arrangement. Maybe they're trying to keep the CHAdeMO separate from the others so that the CCS people won't see it but will charge at the obvious spot, and only those people with more motivation will look for it. But that implies that EA actually cares about CHAdeMO customers, which seems unlikely, so it's a mystery.
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