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avilent

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I realize that many have experienced frustrations in joining the EV Project in the SF Bay Area, so I wanted to share a story which may give you hope about the Ecotality and the EV Project.

Some background: We are two early technology adopters who live in the same condo complex in the SF Bay Area. We learned about the Leaf in April 2010 and convinced each other to replace our gas guzzling BMWs and Volvos with Leafs. We tried to reserve the Leafs on April 20 2010, but having missed the first window of opportunity to reserve we entered the waiting list and on May 15 2010 we each reserved Leafs (SL).

We documented the EVSE install plan, sent it to the condo HOA for approval and asked for a decision by the end of the summer. The document explained what is an EVSE, described safety issues, government involvement and that power consumption would be paid by individual owners and installation performed by certified contractors. I will gladly share these documents with others who need to seek HOA approval.

In July we went through the process of getting bids for the EVSE install. AV sent two contractors for the assessment and after a few months of reminders they send bids for installing two EVSEs. The project is complex as it involved intercepting the main power line between the building's electrical room and the individual condo units, installing a new power panel and running about 100 feet of ceiling mounted conduits between the electrical room and the parking stalls. AV's bid was more than $6K for installing two EVSE or $4.3K for installing one.

By the end of the Summer the HOA approved the EVSE installation.

In December Nissan allowed the order the first Leaf and in January we ordered the second Leaf. Both cars were ordered with the QC option. Given AV's high cost for our EVSE we reluctantly decided to share one EVSE for both Leafs and scheduled the AV install for late February.

As we learned that the EV project had been extended to the SF Bay Area on Feb 2 2011, we contacted Ecotality and Nissan's CS and asked if they could arrange for our Leafs to be added to the EV project. The Ecotality staff was exceptional (Many thanks to Paula Smith). After a few emails and phone calls by Feb 26 2011 our ETec questionnaires were received and accepted.

Meanwhile, on Feb 8th Nissan advised us that the 2nd Leaf (ordered in January) would arrive on/around April 27th and subsequently that the 1st Leaf (ordered in December) would arrive on/around May 23rd.

Delighted by the news of the upcoming deliveries, we became anxious to arrange for the EVSE installed and started to look for an experienced electrical contractor who could install both EVSEs under the EV project at a reasonable cost. We found an amazing father and son company (Electrical Vehicle Installation Specialists – Robert Whiteaker Owner – 415-933-0551) who has significant experience in installing EVSE’s for Teslas, Leafs and other EVs. Robert and his team surveyed our condo building and designed a practical plan to install both EVSEs and yet simplify the install of additional EVSEs by other residents. Robert’s plan was not only clean and appealing it was also dramatically cheaper than the AV bid: $2850 for installing both EVSEs (labor, panels, conduits and all other parts). I introduced Robert to Ecotality and within 10 days he was trained and performing Blink installations.

On March 25th in the morning both of our Leaf buyers returned the participation agreements and by late afternoon Robert and the awesome team at Electrical Vehicle Installation Specialists has performed the complex project. Both EVSEs were up and running by 5:45pm. As an EE, I have high expectations for design and implementation of electrical projects. The quality of the work from Robert’s team was flawless.

I realize that the journey to Leaf ownership is a long one and we have all experienced many delays and communications have not always been meeting our expectations, but I am very impressed that Ecotality was able to start adding EV Project participants in the Bay Area within a few weeks of the approval of the Bay Area Clean Air Management District.

Our journey isn’t complete, we have yet to take delivery of the Leafs and hope our Japanese friends can quickly recovery from the March 11th catastrophes.

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Wow! Thanks for sharing your story. I am curious about your metering as well. Did you get a separate meter for just the EVSE? What power provider are you with?
 
IBELEAF said:
So BLink is pluggable into special outlet? With AV unit it is wired directly.
The Blink can be ordered with a standard NEMA 6-50 plug and used with a standard NEMA 6-50 receptacle. Mine was ordered and setup this way. The inspector for my town even prefers this method since the plug itself can be used as the service disconnect :)
 
how do you get network connectivity to the garage?
avilent said:


I realize that many have experienced frustrations in joining the EV Project in the SF Bay Area, so I wanted to share a story which may give you hope about the Ecotality and the EV Project.

Some background: Two early technology adopters live in the same condo complex in the SF Bay Area. We learn about the Leaf in April 2010 and convince each other to replace our gas guzzling BMWs and Volvos with Leafs. We try to reserve the Leafs on April 20 2010, but having missed the first window of opportunity to reserve we enter the waiting list and on May 15 2010 we both reserve Leafs (SL).

We documented the EVSE install plan, send it to the condo HOA for approval and asked for a decision by the end of the summer. The document explained what is an EVSE, described safety issues, government involvement and that power consumption would be paid by individual owners and installation performed by certified contractors. I will gladly share these documents with others who need to seek HOA approval.

In July we went through the process of getting bids for the EVSE install. AV sent two contractors for the assessment and after a few months of reminders they send bids for installing two EVSEs. The project is complex as it involved intercepting the main power line between the building's electrical room and the individual condo units, installing a new power panel and running about 100 feet of ceiling mounted conduits between the electrical room and the parking stalls. AV's bid was more than $6K for installing two EVSE or $4.3K for installing one.

By the end of the Summer we meet the HOA and get their approval for the EVSE installation.

In December Nissan allowed the order the first Leaf and in January we ordered the second Leaf. Both cars were ordered with the QC option. Given AV's high cost for our EVSE we reluctantly decided to share one EVSE for both Leafs and scheduled the AV install for late February.

As we learned that the EV project had been extended to the SF Bay Area on Feb 2 2011, we contacted Ecotality and Nissan's CS and asked if they could arrange for our Leafs to be added to the EV project. The Ecotality staff was exceptional (Many thanks to Paula Smith). After a few emails and phone calls by Feb 26 2011 our ETec questionnaires were received and accepted.

Meanwhile, on Feb 8th Nissan advised us that the 2nd Leaf (ordered in January) would arrive on/around April 27th and subsequently that the 1st Leaf (ordered in December) would arrive on/around May 23rd.

Delighted by the news of the upcoming deliveries, we became anxious to arrange for the EVSE installed and started to look for an experienced electrical contractor who could install both EVSEs under the EV project at a reasonable cost. We found an amazing father and son company (Electrical Vehicle Installation Specialists – Robert Whiteaker Owner – 415-933-0551) who has significant experience in installing EVSE’s for Teslas, Leafs and other EVs. Robert and his team surveyed our condo building and designed a practical plan to install both EVSEs and yet simplify the install of additional EVSEs by other residents. Robert’s plan was not only clean and appealing it was also dramatically cheaper than the AV bid: $2850 for installing both EVSEs (labor, panels, conduits and all other parts). I introduced Robert to Ecotality and within 10 days he was trained and performing Blink installations.

On March 25th in the morning both of our Leaf buyers returned the participation agreements and by late afternoon Robert and the awesome team at Electrical Vehicle Installation Specialists has performed the complex project. Both EVSEs were up and running by 5:45pm. As an EE, I have high expectations for design and implementation of electrical projects. The quality of the work from Robert’s team was flawless.

I realize that the journey to Leaf ownership is a long one and we have all experienced many delays and communications have not always been meeting our expectations, but I am very impressed that Ecotality was able to start adding EV Project participants in the Bay Area within a few weeks of the approval of the Bay Area Clean Air Management District.

Our journey isn’t complete, we have yet to take delivery of the Leafs and hope our Japanese friends can quickly recovery from the March 11th catastrophes.
 
Fabio said:
how do you get network connectivity to the garage?

OT - but useful. This applies to everyone, not singling you out.

When quoting others, always trim the quote to the minimum needed. No need to quote a page of text & pictures, if you are going to ask one line of question. Signal/Noise shouldn't be that low.
 
avilent said:
mogur said:
What is the holster device between the two stalls?

It is a bicycle rack (for parking the ultimate no polution vehicles :D )

I thought it would be for holding the cord away from the vehicle when plugging in a Volt. But the positioning is wrong and absent for the left stall.
 
IBELEAF said:
So BLink is pluggable into special outlet? With AV unit it is wired directly.

Robert (my installer) explained that Ecotality requests that all indoor installs be made with a NEMA plug to allow convenient replacement of the EVSE. Outdoor installations should be hard wired with conduits. Because our install is in a condo public common area, the wiring for our EVSEs needed to be squeeky clean and in metal conduits.
 
This is a thing of beauty! I especially like that your contractor did some simple routing that will make it easier for others to install EVSE's at your location. We should all encourage this when the opportunity arises. Do we have a thread or sticky or google doc that lists electrical contractors that have done a great job??? Seems like we need a consolidated "preferred" list somewhere for installers that don't play games.
 
Fabio said:
how do you get network connectivity to the garage?

The entire building has internet shared between all residents. We have several wifi repeaters through out the building and the coverage is actually quite good in the garage. The Blinks picked up the wifi signal immediately and were able to upload new firmware versions.

I noticed that the Blink's setup menu initially didn't have all options (i.e. no setup rates, no setup PIN#), but those menus appeared on day 2 once the new FW was uploaded.
 
BruinLEAFer said:
avilent said:
Robert’s plan was not only clean and appealing it was also dramatically cheaper than the AV bid: $2850 for installing both EVSEs (labor, panels, conduits and all other parts).
So what was your final out-of-pocket costs, if any?

After the EV Project $1200 per charger we are looking at $225 out of pocket for each of the two chargers.

The interesting thing is that the arrival of the chargers prompted many other residents in the condo to ask what steps they need to take to get an EV and an EVSE... I guess that' EV fever :)
 
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