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Re: EVgo infrastructure thread

Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:12 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:06 am
With EA moving to per kWh charging, at least for the Leaf, its not that different between the two price wise. For a while EA was cheaper because I could charge at 75kWh for the lowest per minute rate, but that's gone and the EA chademo chargers have been throttled to 50kWh.
Interesting. In NY, EA costs $0.31/kWh. EVgo costs $0.27/minute. HOWEVER, EVgo in NY is limited to 100A, or about 35kW. So at the max rate, it is $0.46/kWh. If you charge at the high end, into the taper, I have ended up paying over $1/kWh.

So my numbers were off. EVgo is 1.5x to 4x the cost of EA, not 2-10x. But it's always more expensive AND it charges more slowly.
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Re: EVgo infrastructure thread

Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:05 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:06 am
With EA moving to per kWh charging, at least for the Leaf, its not that different between the two price wise. For a while EA was cheaper because I could charge at 75kWh for the lowest per minute rate, but that's gone and the EA chademo chargers have been throttled to 50kWh.
You talking about charging at 75 kW and 50 kW?

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Re: EVgo infrastructure thread

Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:51 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:05 pm
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:06 am
With EA moving to per kWh charging, at least for the Leaf, its not that different between the two price wise. For a while EA was cheaper because I could charge at 75kWh for the lowest per minute rate, but that's gone and the EA chademo chargers have been throttled to 50kWh.
You talking about charging at 75 kW and 50 kW?
I don't think Nissan ever made a Leaf that could charge 75kWh. If you emptied the 62kWh pack and took 75kWh to charge, that's only 83% efficient. Maybe if you are charging L1, you could get that low.

And I've never known EA to limit charge sessions to 50kWh. I'm not sure why they would do that. Although I think they say that typical charging sessions are only half that - around 25kWh or so?
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Re: EVgo infrastructure thread

Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:27 pm

My bad on the kW vs. kWh. Many of the EA chargers which used to deliver 200+ amps, suddenly post some software change reduced to a 50kW max. No clue why, except maybe the cables were only really rated for the lower power.
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Re: EVgo infrastructure thread

Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:20 pm

I noticed the strange EA software throttle on chademo happen around the time the billing switched to per kwh instead of per min. I don't think it's the cables as I've looked on them and their rated for at least 100kw charging. The charge units were breaking a lot though back when I got the 70kw+ speeds on my leaf sl plus, so I suspect they throttled the speed, because the battery buffer storage their using to prevent demand charges can't keep up. It could also be some sort of part was wearing out at the higher speed, as the reliability went way up after they throttled the speed. Either way I think it's total volkswagen BS as evgo has some of the exact same ABB units charging at a full 100kw and not breaking. I have zero trust or confidence that their not doing something super shady, as some of their sites don't even seem like they ever worked properly on any of the units except the dual ccs/chademo unit. It's almost like they lied and skimped on things to meet a deadline, and basically all the units except one are empty shells at some sites. Theirs a site that has been open a year now and it still has 3 units that have no power and don't light up. It's crazy they can get away with this kinda stuff. On the plus side, customer care at EA is great.
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Re: EVgo infrastructure thread

Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:23 pm

Have you been able to charge at 100kW on a Leaf at an evgo station? Its technically possible if the station can deliver 300 amps.
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Re: EVgo infrastructure thread

Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:05 am

1. I just leased a new 2020 Leaf and Nissan gave me a $250 credit with EVgo. The problem is the closet station is 60 mile from our home and the station is located in an Outlet Mall shopping center. My wife is ready to road trip - lol. The EVgo station offers only two CHADeMO chargers and is currently charging $0.27 / Min and a 50 kW max. In all seriousness, even though they are located in a outlet mall shopping center, they are strategically located near the intersection of two major highways.


2. Our local EA station that only offers 1 CHADeMO plug only charges $0.16 / minute with a 50 kW max. The highest I have ever been able to obtain was 48kW and when I reached 75% capacity it throttled down to 38 kW.
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Re: EVgo infrastructure thread

Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:36 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:27 pm
My bad on the kW vs. kWh. Many of the EA chargers which used to deliver 200+ amps, suddenly post some software change reduced to a 50kW max. No clue why, except maybe the cables were only really rated for the lower power.
VW is CCS. As simple as that. EA has Chademo only because they are REQUIRED to have it so they have done everything they could to make it less attractive including ignoring complaints of a single CCS vehicle charging on the dual format station while the other 3 to 5 stations sit empty.
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Re: EVgo infrastructure thread

Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:42 pm

ejm4 wrote:
Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:05 am
1. I just leased a new 2020 Leaf and Nissan gave me a $250 credit with EVgo. The problem is the closet station is 60 mile from our home and the station is located in an Outlet Mall shopping center. My wife is ready to road trip - lol. The EVgo station offers only two CHADeMO chargers and is currently charging $0.27 / Min and a 50 kW max. In all seriousness, even though they are located in a outlet mall shopping center, they are strategically located near the intersection of two major highways.


2. Our local EA station that only offers 1 CHADeMO plug only charges $0.16 / minute with a 50 kW max. The highest I have ever been able to obtain was 48kW and when I reached 75% capacity it throttled down to 38 kW.
Sounds like the perfect setup. You have a year to use it and trust me (since I did it) you can burn up a good chunk of that cash in a handful of road trips. To maximize my $250, I only charged at the max rate unplugging within seconds when the rate started to drop (most of the time. 2 or 3 times I was not back at the car in time so missed it by a few minutes)
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