sdbmania
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Dryer Plug Adapter for Leaf 2020 Plus EVSE

Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:40 pm

I've been looking into getting a outlet installed in my garage so I can start charging at level 2 speed but the contractor I was talking to suggested I use the dryer plug and just get an adapter. I tried getting one but it's not working. It has a green cable coming out of it that is supposed to be for ground, but I thought the EVSE didn't need a grounding wire. If anyone could give me a recommendation on what kind of adapter I should get, I need a 10-30 to 14-50, I would appreciate it. I just want one that will work lol. Also, I think it would be good to get one that has a somewhat long cable. Maybe at least 5-6 feet.

I should add that when I tried plugging in the adapter, the EVSE was flashing the green light, but not the others.
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Re: Dryer Plug Adapter for Leaf 2020 Plus EVSE

Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:43 pm

sdbmania wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:40 pm
I've been looking into getting a outlet installed in my garage so I can start charging at level 2 speed but the contractor I was talking to suggested I use the dryer plug and just get an adapter. I tried getting one but it's not working. It has a green cable coming out of it that is supposed to be for ground, but I thought the EVSE didn't need a grounding wire. If anyone could give me a recommendation on what kind of adapter I should get, I need a 10-30 to 14-50, I would appreciate it.
There's been a lot of previous discussion on this. Google for site:mynissanleaf.com dryer 24 amps 30 amp.

It is NOT safe to try to get a NEMA 14-50 device to run on a 10-30 outlet. Max allowed continuous load allowed on a 30 amp circuit is 24 amps.

IIRC, if you look on the label on the back, the supplied Nissan L1/L2 EVSE allows up to 30 or 32 amps. The Leaf will pull 27.5 amps, which is above 24. Other EVs plugged in may pull up to the EVSE's max (30 or 32 amps).

I don't have time to elaborate until much later tonight.

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Re: Dryer Plug Adapter for Leaf 2020 Plus EVSE

Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:54 pm

One further thing: An EVSE uses a ground wire, but not a Neutral. As Cwerdna mentioned it is NOT safe to use a dryer circuit for a Nissan dual voltage EVSE because it will pull too much current through the circuit for continuous/long term operation.. Your original plan is best, followed by getting an EVSE that can be set to 24 amps or less, and using the dryer circuit for that.
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Re: Dryer Plug Adapter for Leaf 2020 Plus EVSE

Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:00 pm

Okay. Well it sounds like it might just be better to stick with my original plan and have someone install a new outlet and breaker. I'm fine with using the Nissan OEM since it can do both 120V240V charging and I don't think it makes sense to buy new equipment if its not much more just to have someone do the electrical work. Thanks for the help :)
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Re: Dryer Plug Adapter for Leaf 2020 Plus EVSE

Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:44 pm

Nissan to me kinda screwed up or caused confusion in marketing materials.

They should've either included an EVSE that maxes out at 24 amps continuous load and included the two 30 amp plugs used by dryers in the US or done what Tesla's been doing all along. The below is gen 2. Gen 1 had the same concept but a different EVSE and adapters.

https://shop.tesla.com/product/gen-2-mo ... tor-bundle
https://shop.tesla.com/product/gen-2-nema-adapters or https://shop.tesla.com/product/nema-adapter-bundle

Each adapter tells the EVSE the max continuous load allowed on that plug type and the EVSE adjusts its J1772 pilot signal duty cycle to match (https://openev.freshdesk.com/support/so ... -sae-j1772).

Gen 1 mobile connector had been included w/all Teslas since Model S in 2012 until they switched to gen 2.

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Re: Dryer Plug Adapter for Leaf 2020 Plus EVSE

Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:57 pm

sdbmania wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:00 pm
if its not much more just to have someone do the electrical work.
That is a big IF, and it also presumes you have room in your panel.
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Re: Dryer Plug Adapter for Leaf 2020 Plus EVSE

Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:48 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:57 pm
sdbmania wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:00 pm
if its not much more just to have someone do the electrical work.
That is a big IF, and it also presumes you have room in your panel.
I haven't seen a modern panel yet that you can't make room with tandem breakers....unless your panel is really old...then you have a bigger issue.
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Re: Dryer Plug Adapter for Leaf 2020 Plus EVSE

Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:06 pm

Learjet wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:48 pm
SageBrush wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:57 pm
sdbmania wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:00 pm
if its not much more just to have someone do the electrical work.
That is a big IF, and it also presumes you have room in your panel.
I haven't seen a modern panel yet that you can't make room with tandem breakers....unless your panel is really old...then you have a bigger issue.
I see. The house was built in the 70s but there was an electric stove that was put in in the early 2000s, or late 90s. So I know they did upgrade the panel back then. I'll just have to do some more research.
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Re: Dryer Plug Adapter for Leaf 2020 Plus EVSE

Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:12 pm

Even modern panels can fill up. I just put in a new panel and I used a 'plug-in neutral' type panel. This has 2 bus bars that each breaker snaps onto: a hot and the neutral. This eliminates the pigtails required on AFCI breakers. I don't think this type of breaker is made in 'half-size' so each slot can fit only 1 breaker and when the panel is full, it's full.

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Re: Dryer Plug Adapter for Leaf 2020 Plus EVSE

Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:36 pm

Our 200 amp panel, installed in the Eighties, is now full, as is the old sub-panel that uses fuses.
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