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Re: What size portable generator to L2 charge?

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:32 am
by Ingineer
Yes, there is a 240v 50hz version of the EU2000i, and it will work, bit it would require a special EVSE dialed down to 6 amps, so you'd really get no more speed than you do with a US spec model unless you Parallel them. I may offer a US EU2000i two unit 240v box as soon as I get caught up on projects. (LEAFSCAN is priority)

It would be a waste to purchase two 240v models then be unable to use them for other purposes here, such as home backup, so I advise you not to do this.

You can use a 2kva pilot transformer right now with two 120v units, I'll be happy to help someone set it up, but my compact sync device is not yet ready for release.

-Phil

Re: What size portable generator to L2 charge?

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:41 am
by jkirkebo
Better use the eropean 230V EU3000i. Small enough to handle for one person, and it can supply enough power to satisfy the 12A 240V upgraded EVSE. That is 2760 watts, the EU3000i can do 2800W continously.

This is about the max one can make portable and somewhat silent.

Re: What size portable generator to L2 charge?

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:50 am
by TonyWilliams
jkirkebo wrote:Better use the eropean 230V EU3000i. Small enough to handle for one person, and it can supply enough power to satisfy the 12A 240V upgraded EVSE. That is 2760 watts, the EU3000i can do 2800W continously.

This is about the max one can make portable and somewhat silent.

Dry Weight 134 lbs.

No thanks. Are you going to lift that in the trunk?

Two of these together (either USA or UK spec) won't charge a 6.6kW LEAF / Focus, etc. (only 5600 watts rated total).


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Re: What size portable generator to L2 charge?

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:00 pm
by LTLFTcomposite
TonyWilliams wrote:
jkirkebo wrote:Better use the eropean 230V EU3000i. Small enough to handle for one person, and it can supply enough power to satisfy the 12A 240V upgraded EVSE. That is 2760 watts, the EU3000i can do 2800W continously.

This is about the max one can make portable and somewhat silent.

Dry Weight 134 lbs.

No thanks. Are you going to lift that in the trunk?

Two of these together (either USA or UK spec) won't charge a 6.6kW LEAF / Focus, etc. (only 5600 watts rated total).


25A) 2800W rated (23.3A) Receptacles 20A 125V Duplex, 30A 125V Locking Plug DC Output 12V, 144W (12A) Starting System Recoil ...
Compare prices from $1,850 at 2 stores
If they had a European version of this one you might be getting closer...
http://powerequipment.honda.com/generat ... 000i-handi" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: What size portable generator to L2 charge?

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:10 pm
by TonyWilliams
LTLFTcomposite wrote:
TonyWilliams wrote:
jkirkebo wrote:Better use the eropean 230V EU3000i. Small enough to handle for one person, and it can supply enough power to satisfy the 12A 240V upgraded EVSE. That is 2760 watts, the EU3000i can do 2800W continously.

This is about the max one can make portable and somewhat silent.

Dry Weight 134 lbs.

No thanks. Are you going to lift that in the trunk?

Two of these together (either USA or UK spec) won't charge a 6.6kW LEAF / Focus, etc. (only 5600 watts rated total).


25A) 2800W rated (23.3A) Receptacles 20A 125V Duplex, 30A 125V Locking Plug DC Output 12V, 144W (12A) Starting System Recoil ...
Compare prices from $1,850 at 2 stores
If they had a European version of this one you might be getting closer...
http://powerequipment.honda.com/generat ... 000i-handi" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That's the model we're talking about, EU3000. It does matter if that is 230 volt UK or 120 volt USA, it's too heavy for practical lifting in the back of a car at 134 pounds, and two of them together (they produce the same POWER in Japan, USA, or UK) won't power the very soon to arrive 6.6 kW cars.

Re: What size portable generator to L2 charge?

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:24 pm
by LTLFTcomposite
TonyWilliams wrote: That's the model we're talking about, EU3000. It does matter if that is 230 volt UK or 120 volt USA, it's too heavy for practical lifting in the back of a car at 134 pounds, and two of them together (they produce the same POWER in Japan, USA, or UK) won't power the very soon to arrive 6.6 kW cars.
Look closer I think there's the 134lb one that's been around for several years and a newer one (the "handi") that's 78lbs, like a bloated eu2000.

Re: What size portable generator to L2 charge?

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:03 pm
by jkirkebo
LTLFTcomposite wrote:
TonyWilliams wrote: That's the model we're talking about, EU3000. It does matter if that is 230 volt UK or 120 volt USA, it's too heavy for practical lifting in the back of a car at 134 pounds, and two of them together (they produce the same POWER in Japan, USA, or UK) won't power the very soon to arrive 6.6 kW cars.
Look closer I think there's the 134lb one that's been around for several years and a newer one (the "handi") that's 78lbs, like a bloated eu2000.
Exactly. 78 lbs is ok to handle, and it will charge a Leaf from turtle to full in about ~9 hours with the 12A upgraded EVSE. I can't think of a more optimized package for generator Leaf charging. Personally I use a EU6500i at my cabin, but it's not exactly very portable :/

Re: What size portable generator to L2 charge?

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:13 pm
by derkraut
Well.....I dunno; I can see having a generator @ home or work, or @ the vacation cabin to charge the Leaf in a pinch. But, hauling around a heavy, gas-consuming ICE to power your electric car doesn't make much sense to me. Like an earlier poster said, why not just buy a Volt?

Re: What size portable generator to L2 charge?

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:27 pm
by LTLFTcomposite
derkraut wrote:Well.....I dunno; I can see having a generator @ home or work, or @ the vacation cabin to charge the Leaf in a pinch. But, hauling around a heavy, gas-consuming ICE to power your electric car doesn't make much sense to me. Like an earlier poster said, why not just buy a Volt?
You probably wouldn't haul it around all the time, but it would be some peace of mind if you headed out on a longer trip, planning to use public charging along the way, but ran into the unexpected at some point... like copper thieves got there ahead of you, campground under new management that hates EVs because the last guy left a beer bottle on the ground, wrong turn, who knows. You wouldn't do it with the idea of sitting around a rest area for nine hours picking up a full charge, more like 1-2 hours to get an extra 20 more miles down the road where there is a hitching post.

Re: What size portable generator to L2 charge?

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:34 pm
by dgpcolorado
derkraut wrote:Well.....I dunno; I can see having a generator @ home or work, or @ the vacation cabin to charge the Leaf in a pinch. But, hauling around a heavy, gas-consuming ICE to power your electric car doesn't make much sense to me. Like an earlier poster said, why not just buy a Volt?
In my case, to take the LEAF to a dealer for service since public charge stations of any kind don't exist and the dealer is just beyond LEAF range. Or to take it on trips beyond nominal range just for fun. None of which has anything to do with the fact that the LEAF serves the vast majority of my local driving needs just fine. Why deal with the complexity and expense of a Volt?

If L2 public charge stations ever appear here I can just sell the generator; they are in much demand by RVers.