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Re: Summary of EVSE options

Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:32 am

Vlad wrote: There is no room in the panel. So breaker would have to be replaced for Schneider...
I wasn't suggesting to add a breaker, but rather to change the 30A breaker you have to a 40A. As the other poster pointed out the wire needs to be #8, but you don't have the circuit wired yet so no problem there just use #8.
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Re: Summary of EVSE options

Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:28 am

I ordered the EVSE upgrade with the quick 220, together it works great! In the future I will install a permanent charger, but for now this works and its portable. Sending back my evse today to get my deposit back.

220v charging is so much better than 110 ...

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Re: Summary of EVSE options

Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:54 am

Received Schneider from HD.com. LEAF arrives next week (allegedly). What price ranges have folks paid for an electrician to install their EVSE in their garage? I have sufficient capacity at my panel, so just need someone licensed to put the 40A circuit in place and install the EVSE to the wall/wire it up.
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Re: Summary of EVSE options

Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:29 am

Why are people spending almost $1000 on a 16A EVSE? Regardless that is a high price even for a 6.6kw unit. One does not need a 40A circuit for a 16A load just a hole in their pockets for the money to drop on the floor :shock:

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Re: Summary of EVSE options

Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:57 am

EVDRIVER wrote:One does not need a 40A circuit for a 16A load
Yes, you do, if you are installing a Schnieder EVSE, it supports up to 7.2KW charger, and to meet code REQUIRES a 40A breaker to supply up to the 30A required (%80 rule). This is a CODE requirement, not a FUNCTIONAL requirement. Sure a 20A breaker would work fine on the Schnieder with the current generation Leaf, until you try to get it to pass an electrical inspection or plug in a 6.6KW EV into it, where it would instantly trip the breaker. Stop telling people they can use undersized breakers for a smaller load, it all is dependent on the EVSE specifications, not the actual load.
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Re: Summary of EVSE options

Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:02 pm

EVDRIVER wrote:Why are people spending almost $1000 on a 16A EVSE?
Because it suits their needs best. All have different features that appeal to different circumstances.
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Re: Summary of EVSE options

Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:28 pm

EVDRIVER wrote:Why are people spending almost $1000 on a 16A EVSE? Regardless that is a high price even for a 6.6kw unit. One does not need a 40A circuit for a 16A load just a hole in their pockets for the money to drop on the floor :shock:
I got the Schneider, installed now working great and yes it is on a 40A breaker with #8 wire, just as others have reported.

Yeah, with the materials and such it was a little over $1k all told, but since I leased I didn't want to do the L1 modification route, even though I'm sure it would have worked fine and saved a few hundred bucks now, I'm 90% certain they would have dinged me on it at the end of the lease.

After driving the car around for the week and seeing the stream of EVs in the pipeline I view the EVSE as an investment in the house, not so much in the Leaf.
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Re: Summary of EVSE options

Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:40 pm

smkettner wrote:
EVDRIVER wrote:Why are people spending almost $1000 on a 16A EVSE?
Because it suits their needs best. All have different features that appeal to different circumstances.

Features? There are no features on the Leviton. All the EVSE units in this price range are basic charge cords. The only possible difference is output, price and build quality. If I were flushing money on a wall mounted EVSE I would get a Leviton over a AV just because I don't believe in AVs business practices. These do the same thing but the AV has twice the output at a lower cost and is made of cheaper materials. One could convert their EVSE for $300 and mount it to the wall and get the same charging to the LEAF at a fraction at the cost and use it on the go if needed. What "feature" is missing for that extra $700. I think this is mostly based on fear or perception not real practicality or features. I have said this before the LEAF was even released and eventually many people are going to wonder why they spent so much for a metal box with a J1772 cord. I'm already hearing this in fact. If you own a LEAF and think spending more on a 6.6kw EVSE is future proofing that is also nonsense since by the time one likely gets an EV with a charger over 3.3kw it will likely be 7.2kw or more and EVSE units will cost even less. History repeats, this is not the first go around on this EVSE nonsense but I suspect most will be kicking themselves for over spending. Yes, some may need a second unit and the economics of that make sense in some cases however I bet there will be plenty of head scratching in the next 1-2 years. If spending that money makes one feel good then so be it but there is no "feature" I can see for that money unless these units massage the battery pack for longer life :lol: I'll leave my batteries "tense" thanks.

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Re: Summary of EVSE options

Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:32 pm

EVDRIVER wrote:... What "feature" is missing for that extra $700. ...
As you have been told repeatedly, the feature that is missing is having a permanent solution on the garage wall AND a portable one in the trunk...and with the Nissan price increase, a second upgrade now costs nearly $1000...as much as a 30a unit that is designed to mount on the wall.
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Re: Summary of EVSE options

Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:43 pm

EVDRIVER, do you really use the Nissan unit every day at home and coil it up and take it with you every day?

That is the feature I dislike. Although I did live on L1 for about 5 months and did not carry it in the car much. So if you are comfortable with that I am glad it works for you. But I for one do not see that as a permanent solution.
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