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Re: Aerovironment EVSE install information

Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:14 pm

I told the Nissan person I was buying from Leviton. AV unit was over priced, too many features and twice the needed capacity.

She asked if I was a certified electrician.

Replied, NO! My house is fully prewired and inspected per existing city code requirement at least seven years ago. I just need to plug the Leviton in and is no harder than using a vacuum. I do not need to spend $1200 for someone to plug in an appliance and put four screws in the wall.

She was then very helpful even if I was on hold for a looooong time while she checked on options.

I expressed my primary concern that I want no delay or issues with the car ordering or delivery.
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Re: Aerovironment EVSE install information

Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:19 pm

EVDriver - Well, I think that it annoys me as much as it does you when I keep seeing people referring to the EVSE as a charger. No matter how many times we try and correct this people use the wrong term.

Why anybody would use AV at this point is also a wonder to me. Lets see, I can spend $1200 and have the taxpayers spend another $1200 on an EVSE that can barely keep up with the LEAF charger. Or I can wait until a bit later and spend $1000 and the taxpayer will not have to pony up any additional funds and I can get an EVSE that can not only supply my Leaf, but if I come across some rich friends with a Tesla, I can also supply their car (or better yet, if I win the lottery and I purchase a Tesla, I wont have to replace my tiny EVSE in the future). Better yet, I might even get half the better EVSE covered by the rebate if they extend it into next year. Either way it seems better to spend less on a better EVSE.
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Re: Aerovironment EVSE install information

Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:28 pm

palmermd wrote: Lets see, I can spend $1200 and have the taxpayers spend another $1200 on an EVSE that can barely keep up with the LEAF charger.
I agree with most of what you've said except for this. Barely? I think twice the Leaf capability is above "barely".

Also I suspect if you win the lottery you won't care about the cost of replacing your EVSE :lol:

Again, I really am with you - I will only buy the AV EVSE if my car comes in December and there are no other options at that time. And even then I won't have AV do the installation.

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Re: Aerovironment EVSE install information

Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:47 pm

JasonT wrote:
palmermd wrote: Lets see, I can spend $1200 and have the taxpayers spend another $1200 on an EVSE that can barely keep up with the LEAF charger.
I agree with most of what you've said except for this. Barely? I think twice the Leaf capability is above "barely".

Also I suspect if you win the lottery you won't care about the cost of replacing your EVSE :lol:

Again, I really am with you - I will only buy the AV EVSE if my car comes in December and there are no other options at that time. And even then I won't have AV do the installation.
your right, but I think the 6.6kw is going to be a problem for the Leaf, and the 3.3kw that is on the first batch of cars is just sad. I'm going to upgrade my charger to at least 6.6kw as soon as possible. I hope Nissan figures this out prior to shipment and offers the upgrades. If not, I'm going to find a way to upgrade it myself.
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Re: Aerovironment EVSE install information

Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:05 pm

palmermd wrote:EVDriver - Well, I think that it annoys me as much as it does you when I keep seeing people referring to the EVSE as a charger. No matter how many times we try and correct this people use the wrong term.
I once had a multi-day argument with bunch of watch snobs about whether the little claps at the end of a leather watch band were called a "Deployant" (ooh la la) or "Deployment" buckle. I produced two letters from large watch manufacturers (or are they manufactories?) presenting me with a couple of "Deployment buckles" gratis and that still didn't satisfy anyone.

Considering it's my car, my garage and I have a similar sheath of emails from a bunch of nice folks referring to this thing about to protrude from my wall as a "Charging Dock" or a "EVSE (Charger)" or "Blink Charger" "CT500 Charging Unit" I'll call it whatever the hell I want, thanks.
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Re: Aerovironment EVSE install information

Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:29 pm

Clippy wrote:Considering it's my car, my garage and I have a similar sheath of emails from a bunch of nice folks referring to this thing about to protrude from my wall as a "Charging Dock" or a "EVSE (Charger)" or "Blink Charger" "CT500 Charging Unit" I'll call it whatever the hell I want, thanks.
EVSE is - EV Supply Equipment.

Ofcourse you can call it whatever you want - as long as the other side understands. But technically that would be wrong.
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Re: Aerovironment EVSE install information

Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:42 pm

evnow wrote:
Ofcourse you can call it whatever you want - as long as the other side understands. But technically that would be wrong.
Fair enough. If your car is ever in need of a charge and you're near my house, you may feel free to make use of my charger. But you may not use my EVSE.

I have also been known to refer to San Francisco as "Frisco."
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Re: Aerovironment EVSE install information

Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:34 am

OK, I now see something I don't remember having seen before. If I go look at the AV quote there is a button on the right side with the notation below it saying "purchase online". Has that always been there? Is that what changes you from "quote ready" to "quote accepted"? I haven't clicked that button, and I have no intention of doing so, because I don't want their EVSE or anyone else's.

I never asked for a waiver, and I paid for the assessment, so they didn't hold up my ability to order. I cannot believe that asking for an assessment is an implicit commitment to purchase the product. Thinking back, I may have done one thing during the ordering process that could be interpreted as a commitment. I was given a choice between (if I recall) including the AV EVSE in the cost of the car or handling it separately. I said I would handle it separately. But again, how can this be legally a commitment when I was given no choice as whether I wanted the product?

Maybe it's time for me to ask for a waiver.
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Re: Aerovironment EVSE install information

Sat Oct 16, 2010 9:33 am

Clippy wrote:
evnow wrote:
Ofcourse you can call it whatever you want - as long as the other side understands. But technically that would be wrong.
Fair enough. If your car is ever in need of a charge and you're near my house, you may feel free to make use of my charger. But you may not use my EVSE.

I have also been known to refer to San Francisco as "Frisco."

Clippy, just because people use the wrong name does not mean they are correct, for years chargers have been called chargers, period. There was never confusion until people began using the wrong term out of ignorance. If you ask what kind of charger the Leaf has you will likely have people saying AV, well that's completely wrong, it's a Nissan OEM charger. Is it a 6.6kw charger? No, it is 3.3kw but using the wrong terminology confuses the issue further. People use the wrong terms all the time and that is why consumers are confused and understand little about EVs. You can also call a distributor cap a spark plug if you like, I'm sure many people think it's the same. We are free to use any terms we like and we are free to be ignorant as well. As long as the other side understands, one hopes.

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Re: Aerovironment EVSE install information

Sat Oct 16, 2010 11:08 am

AV never said they would provide a charger by the end of the year.[/quote]


Actually, I have a distinct recollection of asking my AV electrical evaluation specialist when he thought it might be installed. I was told "we have you down for an October installation". So, I submit that AV has represented they would be installing well before yearend.
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