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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:19 pm

A "birdie" told me that the contracted electrician (company) gets $500 flat fee
for a "standard" install, meant to average out (for the contracted electrician
company) over the more expensive and the less expensive "standard" installs.

Apparently AV takes the rest.
Still, not quite fair for the customer, but simple and easy for many.

If you have an "easy" job, be sure and request a "custom" job and bid,
where the bid can be LOWER than the "standard" bid.
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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:02 pm

jason98 wrote:
LEAFer wrote:
jason98 wrote:Then I went to the dashboard and found that the quote is still missing the dock unit! Although the header specifically states that this is for both dock and installation:

Now I wonder if they are legally bound to it and should I be able to defend my "consumer rights" when I go ahead with the order for the advertised price.
What pops up when you click on "what's included in my quote?"
Same item list as in my snapshot I posted earlier plus:
your quote details
Pull permit. Install (1) 40 Ampere 240 Volt circuit breaker in existing utility panel. Install feeder from utility panel to wall mounted Charging Dock. Feeder will be mounted to existing surfaces. Charging Dock will be installed on customer preferred location and will be fully tested and certified with proprietary service tool. Customer will be trained on operation and troubleshooting and inspector will be called for verification.
Obviously it's risky, and you must make your own decision, not rely on what I would do ... having said that I'm sure you can guess what I would do ;) **IFF** I were in your situation. But to make it a little safer, if you like the price, email them direct and state that in accepting the quote at $x for BOTH installation and the charging dock, plus training on its use, that you expect <insert something obvious here, like the AV charging dock's 3 year warranty to be on-site with a 24-hour response> :)
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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:18 pm

They will likely catch it and you can cancel as there were no specifics.

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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Tue Sep 14, 2010 2:24 am

So in the US you guys will have a specific cable, supplied with the car, allowing a level I charge on 110V and if you want an 240V level II charge, you have to pay for an extra EVSE.

Now : what is going to happen in Europe, where most of the countries are equipped with 240V only ?

I can hardly imagine Nissan will make an EVSE mandatory to make the car work, or, it will be supplied at no extra cost with the car ?

What are the chances that Nissan supplies in Europe a 240V cable with the car akin to the 110V cable you are going to get. This would be a 180° turn from the justification of not offering a 240V simple cable in your regions but a permanent EVSE.

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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:36 am

Europe probably does not have any of the nonsense we have in the US.
I imagine Europe will just plug into a normal 230v connector using a cord from the vehicle.

Somehow in the US the powers that be want to mimick the gasoline fill procedure and have the cord on the "pump" :roll:
Apparently the general public in the US would otherwise be confused.
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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:38 am

Like others, I just got a note that they reassessed. In my case, I have a Mini-E charger so am all wired right to the spot so just need the box and swap the junction wire. As easy as it gets. My reassess took off ~$300 down to $1040 labor. That seems in line with what others saw on the reassess.

So I assume they are across the board dropping some of the labor charge. Not really a response to my particular setup. I am still passing and going with another provider and let them know that.

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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:50 am

Like the 120v L1 EVSE included with the LEAF in the USA to work (very slowly) on the "typical" household wall socket (120v 15A), ...

It is expected that a similar EVSE will be included in UK and Europe, but a 220/240 volt (L2) 13 to 15 amp version, again configured to match the country's "common" household power sockets.

And, YES, we DO want those compact, portable, plug-in L2 (faster-charging) EVSEs here also, but we have much more limited places to plug them in, (almost) all of which are, by their (stupid) design, much less safe to be "plugging into".

Basically, our (very) few household 240v sockets/plugs are designed for in/out use only infrequently, and for "safe" use ... never. :(
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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:38 pm

Needless to say - may have to wait for a lower cost option:

product/service description quantity unit price line total

standard installation 1 1,296.68 1,296.68

charging dock, wall mount 25' cable * 1 721.12 721.12

installation permit and processing 1 290.00 290.00

shipping and delivery 1 49.95 49.95


sales tax * US $66.70

total US $2,424.45

your quote details
Pull permit. Install (1) 40 Ampere 240 Volt circuit breaker in existing utility panel. Install 30 feet or less of feeder from utility panel to wall mounted Charging Dock. Feeder (Conduit or Romex wire) will be mounted to existing surfaces or run through crawl space or attic. Charging Dock will be installed on customer preferred location and will be fully tested and certified with proprietary service tool. Customer will be trained on operation and troubleshooting and inspector will be called for verification.

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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:42 pm

EVNation wrote:Like others, I just got a note that they reassessed. In my case, I have a Mini-E charger so am all wired right to the spot so just need the box and swap the junction wire. As easy as it gets. My reassess took off ~$300 down to $1040 labor. That seems in line with what others saw on the reassess.

So I assume they are across the board dropping some of the labor charge. Not really a response to my particular setup. I am still passing and going with another provider and let them know that.

If you have a MINIe charger you can buy a J cord and use what is on your wall. Even if you decide to not use the one you have (not sure why as it's better) you can buy one and screw it on for free.

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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:37 am

EVDRIVER wrote:
EVNation wrote:Like others, I just got a note that they reassessed. In my case, I have a Mini-E charger so am all wired right to the spot so just need the box and swap the junction wire. As easy as it gets. My reassess took off ~$300 down to $1040 labor. That seems in line with what others saw on the reassess.

So I assume they are across the board dropping some of the labor charge. Not really a response to my particular setup. I am still passing and going with another provider and let them know that.

If you have a MINIe charger you can buy a J cord and use what is on your wall. Even if you decide to not use the one you have (not sure why as it's better) you can buy one and screw it on for free.
Not clear we will be able to buy the J cord directly. I would think that should be possible but often the make stuff like that not available. You have any sources? Many people tried to get the raw cables for the Mini-E and Tesla and failed (though those were not standards). It sounds like Clipper Creek will be rolling out an upgrade plan so I am waiting for that. But as you say will possibly just buy a new box and do it myself.

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