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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:27 pm

Guess its clear at this point Nissan should not have put its eggs in one basket with aerovorment or whatever and had Leviton and some other comapnies to creat competition

plus a company used to dealing with the government is used to chgarging alot for jobs and taking their sweet time

anyone in touch with Nissan should be asking them to hook up with Leviton or others and create some competition.

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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:13 pm

suresnoi wrote:That's simply amazing how SO MUCH work and money spent in designing and manufacturing what seem to be a great EV vehicle can be tarnished by just a stupid charging dock that could have been a transportable, affordable and convenient cord from day 1. :?

How is Nissan not seeing that this is tarnishing the whole operation ?

If I were part of the car's R&D teams I would be so upset to see our hard work tarnished by some silly decisions.
So, whose decisions are you complaining about? If I understand correctly, Nissan is providing a transportable cord for 220v charging in Europe. Do you really think that they decided they wanted to discriminate against the US?

I believe Nissan was caught in a box created by US electrical standards. The one bad decision I see them as having made was their agreement with AeroVironment, and I'm sure they are seeing that as clearly as we are, and regretting it deeply.
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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:43 pm

this is ridiculous...

standard installation * 1,296.68
charging dock, wall mount 25' cable * 721.12
installation permit and processing * 94.50
shipping and delivery * 49.95

sales tax * US$172.98

total US$2,335.23

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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:46 pm

dpfeif wrote:this is ridiculous...
total US$2,335.23
Yes - but why would you think they would be any different ?
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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:54 pm

[/quote]
I believe Nissan was caught in a box created by US electrical standards. The one bad decision I see them as having made was their agreement with AeroVironment, and I'm sure they are seeing that as clearly as we are, and regretting it deeply.[/quote]

I think that this is correct. I believe that the NEC committee is of the opinion that the typical new EV owner needs to be protected from their own stupidity and we are all paying dearly for that.

I am persuaded that it would be better for all if the dealers were responsible to work out the method of charging with the customers after getting personally acquainted with those customers. This "one size fits all" procedure just can't work for everyone. It is sure to upset many and be unworkable for a few. Besides, this would be a good learning experience for both the dealer and the customers. Finally, the dealers are a lot more convenient to work with than some distant company we have never heard of before.

With the EV we are dealing with some like me who have been living with an EV for years. Others have never touched an EV. The needs are not the same. We live in a world where protecting the "you know what" is more important than being flexible to meet varying needs. There are more "newbies". Its no fun.

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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:37 pm

The Aerovironment fiasco is the only real black spot on Nissan's record so far with the Leaf. For a time, I considered just skipping the purchase of the Leaf altogether, because I was so disgusted. Now I have decided to just skip the assessment and go with another company (probably Leviton when they come out with their own charger).
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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:05 am

standard installation 1,296.68

charging dock, wall mount 15' cable * 721.12

installation permit and processing 200.00

shipping and delivery 49.95


sales tax * US$70.31

total US$2,338.06

The electrician even marked my house as pre-wired for a car charger and this is what they came up with to hang it in my garage?? Looks like I will be going with another company, or just installing it myself!

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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:19 am

Apparently, you MUST check "Custom", not "Standard" install to have a chance of getting a lower price.
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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:59 am

Nissan used AV because of their previous market experience and they needed a company to assist in the initial roll out of the vehicles to insure a controlled process, this makes complete sense. The AV pricing is a result of a mismatch of a service offering with the wrong company but also one of necessity and this will likely change over time. To Nissan's defense they are in a tough position with the AV agreement but it will likely change as a result of the issues and also the simple fact that AV has likely found that this is not profitable for them and as market awareness increases this will become even more evident. The EVSE market will go through a radical change in the next 6-12 months and this will all be mute. I have done many product launches for a fortune 50 company and from what I have seen so far Nissan has done a good job considering the aggressive schedule. Granted the web experience could be improved quite a bit in some areas I also suspect this is partly due to a quick launch, learning a new process and the people doing their data management. Many companies do this over long periods of time fine tuning the process, Nissan gets points for even having a call center and insuring if not by accident, that buyers don't pay crazy prices. I'm happy to not being stuck fighting at dealers for excessive pricing like the Volt and having the opportunity to even buy an EV at a relatively reasonable cost.

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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:05 am

garygid wrote:Apparently, you MUST check "Custom", not "Standard" install to have a chance of getting a lower price.
Another reason to avoid AV. The guy comes out and gives an estimate. That sounds custom to me. Why does he not check the right box for a lower price?
I could have done a standard on the phone and saved the $100 sucker fee. My home is completely prewired specific for EV.
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