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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:32 am

IMO there should be no EVSE. Just a cord to plug in. Put the cord in a small hatch in the front so we can draw it out.
There are plenty of options for a power inlet on the car that already existed if the cord should be detached.
All the new connectors are simply redundent IMO.

OK I can see a new connector is probably needed for the L3 connection.
There is just no reason to make L1 & L2 so complicated.
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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:43 am

garygid wrote:Your AV-bid for your minimal but "standard" job would get the "contracted" installer only $500, including materials, I was told.

However, this "different" job might need another non-standard quote, right?

No minimal (custom) assessment for us.
Heck, we had no clue AV would even need to set such a process up, so we just got the standard $2k cookie cutter assessment. Back in July, I'm not certain if AV had even dreamed up the concept of a custom assessment. But therein lies the beauty, because whether AV assesses your job as big or teeny (w/out a 'custom' quote ... not that custom quotes are even necessary, because ALL quotes should be uniquely drafted) they simply regurgitate the standard $2k quote. There's no way we're going to send our self to the back of the line this late in the game, by requesting a new/custom assessment. But if AV's going to charge us $2k to install 'everything', you can be SURE we'll get the full service that their hoakie quote implies they'll be doing ... IOW, they can do the quoted work, on a new EV TOU meter. How could AV possibly take issue with doing the very work they quoted?
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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:49 am

smkettner wrote:There is just no reason to make L1 & L2 so complicated.
What exact plug format will that cord support for L1/L2 ?
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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:58 am

evnow wrote:
smkettner wrote:There is just no reason to make L1 & L2 so complicated.
What exact plug format will that cord support for L1/L2 ?
The same inlet already accepts 120 or 240v so just have a standard 240v plug (6-20p?) and give an adapter to plug into 120v.
The car will know if it is plugged into 120 or 240 and could just as easy only pull 12a when 120v is present and 16a when 240v is presented.

OK maybe the L1 EVSE has a step up transformer to present 240v? I really doubt that considering the small size.

Even if the Leaf needed two separate cords to protect the clueless it would be far less money than a $800 EVSE and all these high quotes to install a simple outlet.
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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:08 am

smkettner wrote:Even if the Leaf needed two separate cords to protect the clueless it would be far less money than a $800 EVSE and all these high quotes to install a simple outlet.
All the high quotes & expensive evse is just a short term thing. In a couple of years all the prices will come down.

We may also get something like what you are proposing a single evse cord with both 120/240 plugs with adopters on one side - but with a j-1772 on the other.
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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:18 am

Image

http://www.gfci.com/accessories/Nema6-20P.html

No J-1772 needed

Just an off the shelf extension cord
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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:20 am

Due to a further (and hopefully short-term) reduction in hours at work, I now only need to commute 3 days a week and have 16 hours from the time I get home to needing the car the next day (or 15 hours if I wait until off-peak hours begin at 6pm). As I result, I may postpone the EVSE purchase from AV, see what the market brings in terms of alternatives during the interim, and ask my solar vendor to prepare the junction box and wiring as part of their install.
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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:26 am

smkettner wrote:No J-1772 needed
That train has left the station.
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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:30 am

smkettner wrote:Image

http://www.gfci.com/accessories/Nema6-20P.html

No J-1772 needed

Just an off the shelf extension cord

No pilot signal which is needed and those last six months and fail. I have charged EVs for years with many cords adaptors and configs, I like the new standard and it does make sense for many reasons. In time it will be a non issue. It's about time there is a standard.

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Re: EVSE Installation, Info and Cost Comparison Thread

Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:59 pm

smkettner wrote:The same inlet already accepts 120 or 240v so just have a standard 240v plug (6-20p?) and give an adapter to plug into 120v. The car will know if it is plugged into 120 or 240 and could just as easy only pull 12a when 120v is present and 16a when 240v is presented.
So, with a single wire and no EVSE, how is the car supposed to know whether it is connected to a 20A, 40A, or 70A circuit? You do want Nissan to be able to put a bigger charger in the car in the future, don't you?

Even though I don't expect to be using 240v charging myself, I think it is a really good idea that L2 charging is being standardized, so any car of any brand can use any charging station of any brand.
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