LeftieBiker
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Re: Bye bye, Leaf....Going to take a bath!

Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:02 pm

danrjones wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:42 am
What made you choose the Bolt over the Kia E-Niro or Hyundai Kona?
Does the bolt have a heat pump / hybrid heater?

Just curious.

No heat pump in the Bolt.
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Re: Bye bye, Leaf....Going to take a bath!

Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:41 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:02 pm
danrjones wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:42 am
What made you choose the Bolt over the Kia E-Niro or Hyundai Kona?
Does the bolt have a heat pump / hybrid heater?

Just curious.

No heat pump in the Bolt.
Now that its trying to get cold in the morning we have started using the heater, and though it drops the range a bit more than the AC, it hasn't been a big hit. I figure that has to be due to the heat pump. And it warms up very quickly too, so its been nice. When I get another EV I certainly would hope to get a heat pump in it. YMMV
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sthbeach
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Re: Bye bye, Leaf....Going to take a bath!

Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:58 pm

Titanium48 wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:23 pm
sthbeach wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:38 pm
This Leaf is my wife's and her roundtrip of 135 kms a day is getting uglier as each day gets colder so I have decided to cut my losses now and trade it in. She will get my 2018 Nissan Leaf SL and I will take the Bolt since my roundtrip commute is closer to 160 kms a day.
I'm guessing you are heading in opposite directions? If not, maybe it is time to look for a new house instead of a new car.
No actually, we go the same direction on the same highway, I am just 6 exits further than her off the highway.

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Re: Bye bye, Leaf....Going to take a bath!

Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:59 pm

I will be switching the Leafbox into the 18' this weekend and report back on the results.

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Re: Bye bye, Leaf....Going to take a bath!

Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:44 pm

Where I live, it is already below zero so for me the heat pump is a non factor from November to March. For me the only months where the heat pump is utilized for heat is October and April. I will say the cold has hit quick this year so usually November would count too, so 3 months anyway.

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Re: Bye bye, Leaf....Going to take a bath!

Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:09 pm

danrjones wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:41 pm
LeftieBiker wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:02 pm
danrjones wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:42 am
What made you choose the Bolt over the Kia E-Niro or Hyundai Kona?
Does the bolt have a heat pump / hybrid heater?

Just curious.

No heat pump in the Bolt.
Now that its trying to get cold in the morning we have started using the heater, and though it drops the range a bit more than the AC, it hasn't been a big hit. I figure that has to be due to the heat pump. And it warms up very quickly too, so its been nice. When I get another EV I certainly would hope to get a heat pump in it. YMMV
So far as I know, my Tesla Model 3 LR does not have a heat pump. I think the reasoning was that the money is better spent on more battery and cabin insulation. It is an interesting trade-off. Perhaps when car heat pumps are more efficient at temperatures below 25F the balance will swing back to their favor.
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danrjones
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Re: Bye bye, Leaf....Going to take a bath!

Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:13 pm

Does a hear pump performance also depend on humidity?
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LeftieBiker
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Re: Bye bye, Leaf....Going to take a bath!

Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:08 pm

danrjones wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:13 pm
Does a hear pump performance also depend on humidity?
Not directly AFAIK, but high humidity can cause the evaporator to ice in A/C mode, or the condenser in heat mode, requiring a defrost cycle.
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Re: Bye bye, Leaf....Going to take a bath!

Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:39 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:08 pm
danrjones wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:13 pm
Does a hear pump performance also depend on humidity?
Not directly AFAIK, but high humidity can cause the evaporator to ice in A/C mode, or the condenser in heat mode, requiring a defrost cycle.
It hasn't been really cold here but we had a few mornings in the mid 20s last week. It appears it uses resistive heating at first as the power load of the climate system went very high, then after about a minute it dropped to a load similiar to that of the AC. I was interpreting that as the heat pump kicking in. For the remainder of the drive, about 10 minutes, it appeares all heat pump. At about 26f.

If that is indeed what is going on, that seems good to me. We do have dry air here as well. Today i think we were 38f and 82f. That tells you a bit about the humidity.
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Re: Bye bye, Leaf....Going to take a bath!

Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:45 am

SageBrush wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:09 pm
So far as I know, my Tesla Model 3 LR does not have a heat pump. I think the reasoning was that the money is better spent on more battery and cabin insulation. It is an interesting trade-off. Perhaps when car heat pumps are more efficient at temperatures below 25F the balance will swing back to their favor.
Doesn't the Model 3 exchange motor and battery heat with the cabin via the Superbottle? Even if the cabin is isolated from that system, heat preservation is the one area where Tesla has everyone beat right now. It's a shame the Leaf and similar cars still dump motor heat to the radiators rather than warm up the cabin and battery or vice versa.

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