Leafer77
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Delivery Date: 31 May 2011
Leaf Number: 3713

Re: Early Adopter Mistake - Running on Empty

Sat May 30, 2015 5:23 pm

One thing I didn't see anyone ask about, but I think is worth mentioning is about my car pool buddy who bought his own Leaf. He has a similar commute as I do, but he drives alittle faster than I do. He's currently at 9 bars and just under 50,000 miles. I'm guessing he'll hit 4 bars and qualify for the warranty, since he hit 9 bars several months ago at just over 40,000 miles.

cwerdna
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Delivery Date: 28 Jul 2013
Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Re: Early Adopter Mistake - Running on Empty

Sat May 30, 2015 5:36 pm

Leafer77 wrote: I was mostly going off the marketing information I was previously given. All the documents that I received and other online information was suggesting around 100 miles at the time. I have copies of the marketing pamplets and documents. It also didn't help at the time that the salesman pressured me on of the fact that other people had put their deposits down already and would happily buy the car. Remember, this was back in May 2011.
Yeah, the 100 mile BS was still going on in 2013! :( I started a thread about that http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=13264" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. To top it off, in mid-2013, a Nissan European exec went on camera saying the Leaf's range is now up to 200 km (124 miles): http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 4&start=30" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. :roll:

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kubel
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Leaf Number: 19628
Location: Southeast Michigan

Re: Early Adopter Mistake - Running on Empty

Sat May 30, 2015 6:02 pm

Just putting a few battery capacity warranties out there:

NISSAN:
60 Months
60,000 Miles
(Effectively 48 months at 15,000 miles per year)
66.25%

KIA:
120 Months
100,000 Miles
(Effectively 80 months at 15,000 miles per year)
70%

TESLA:
96 Months
125,000 Miles (or more)
(Effectively 96 months at 15,000 miles per year)
70%
2012 Nissan LEAF SV
20% degradation in 42k miles
Leased 5-17-2012, Returned 1-15-2016


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Siren Red Tintcoat
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Valdemar
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Delivery Date: 09 Sep 2011
Location: Oak Park, CA

Re: Early Adopter Mistake - Running on Empty

Sun May 31, 2015 2:09 am

Anyone has connections in LA Times? They might like this story. It feels right about time the battery issues get some publicity.
'11 SL, totaled
-1CB@33k/21mo, -2CB@53k/33mo, -3CB@68k/41mo, -4CB(41.5AHr)@79k/49mo, -5CB(38.85AHr)@87.5k/54mo
-0CB(66.14AHr)@87.5k/54mo (BBB), -1CB(53.92Ahr)@140k/29mo,
51.1AHr, SOH 80%, 150k miles

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TimLee
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Delivery Date: 17 May 2011
Leaf Number: 2026
Location: Chattanooga, TN

Re: Early Adopter Mistake - Running on Empty

Sun May 31, 2015 4:20 am

Leafer77 wrote:... I don't have any special tools to measure my current capacity ...
You need to get LEAF Spy Pro.
I drove a 2011 for two 1/2 years without it.
If you are routinely hitting LBW, it is an essential tool to be able to sanely drive a low capacity LEAF.

Tim Lee
Chattanooga, TN

Man. Date: 03/10/11, VIN # 2026
Delivered 05-17-2011
Blue Ocean, 2011 SL-eTec

Valdemar
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Re: Early Adopter Mistake - Running on Empty

Sun May 31, 2015 11:20 am

TimLee wrote:
Leafer77 wrote:... I don't have any special tools to measure my current capacity ...
You need to get LEAF Spy Pro.
I drove a 2011 for two 1/2 years without it.
If you are routinely hitting LBW, it is an essential tool to be able to sanely drive a low capacity LEAF.
Yup, I'm hitting VLBW almost daily and not even sweating it.
'11 SL, totaled
-1CB@33k/21mo, -2CB@53k/33mo, -3CB@68k/41mo, -4CB(41.5AHr)@79k/49mo, -5CB(38.85AHr)@87.5k/54mo
-0CB(66.14AHr)@87.5k/54mo (BBB), -1CB(53.92Ahr)@140k/29mo,
51.1AHr, SOH 80%, 150k miles

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RegGuheert
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Leaf Number: 5926
Location: Northern VA

Re: Early Adopter Mistake - Running on Empty

Sun May 31, 2015 11:43 am

Valdemar wrote:Yup, I'm hitting VLBW almost daily and not even sweating it.
Do you know the %SOC at which you normally hit VLBW?
RegGuheert
2011 Leaf SL Demo vehicle
10K mi. on 041413; 20K mi. (55.7Ah) on 080714; 30K mi. (52.0Ah) on 123015; 40K mi. (49.8Ah) on 020817; 50K mi. (47.2Ah) on 120717; 60K mi. (43.66Ah) on 091918.
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mbender
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Leaf Number: 309606
Location: The Great California Delta, and environs

Re: Early Adopter Mistake - Running on Empty

Sun May 31, 2015 11:49 am

I believe I read in another thread that the last long bar at the GOM disappears at almost exactly 1kWh remaining. I haven't double-checked this yet with LeafSpy, but it's been close enough for my purposes so far. Just an additional and useful indicator to help before you get LeafSpy. 3-5 miles remaining at that point, depending on all the usual conditions -- and with all the usual caveats.
Valdemar wrote:
TimLee wrote:
Leafer77 wrote:... I don't have any special tools to measure my current capacity ...
You need to get LEAF Spy Pro.
I drove a 2011 for two 1/2 years without it.
If you are routinely hitting LBW, it is an essential tool to be able to sanely drive a low capacity LEAF.
Yup, I'm hitting VLBW almost daily and not even sweating it.
I think I just felt my paradigm shift.

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Valdemar
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Re: Early Adopter Mistake - Running on Empty

Sun May 31, 2015 12:09 pm

RegGuheert wrote:
Valdemar wrote:Yup, I'm hitting VLBW almost daily and not even sweating it.
Do you know the %SOC at which you normally hit VLBW?
No, I'm not paying attention to the %SOC as much, just watching the Gids, it is pretty consistent how they drop between my selected way points which are freeway exits to quick chargers. If deviating from my normal route I'm using the Spy's range estimator to reserve if on a more or less flat terrain.
'11 SL, totaled
-1CB@33k/21mo, -2CB@53k/33mo, -3CB@68k/41mo, -4CB(41.5AHr)@79k/49mo, -5CB(38.85AHr)@87.5k/54mo
-0CB(66.14AHr)@87.5k/54mo (BBB), -1CB(53.92Ahr)@140k/29mo,
51.1AHr, SOH 80%, 150k miles

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Valdemar
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Re: Early Adopter Mistake - Running on Empty

Sun May 31, 2015 12:13 pm

mbender wrote:I believe I read in another thread that the last long bar at the GOM disappears at almost exactly 1kWh remaining. I haven't double-checked this yet with LeafSpy, but it's been close enough for my purposes so far. Just an additional and useful indicator to help before you get LeafSpy. 3-5 miles remaining at that point, depending on all the usual conditions -- and with all the usual caveats.
The last bar usually disappears when you hit VLBW at 25Gids and the GOM turns into ---, you have about 2kWh usable in the battery at that point. I wouldn't bet on being able to use all of it as cell balance is pretty bad at that point and you can hit turtle sooner than expected, but 1kWh is a safe bet.
'11 SL, totaled
-1CB@33k/21mo, -2CB@53k/33mo, -3CB@68k/41mo, -4CB(41.5AHr)@79k/49mo, -5CB(38.85AHr)@87.5k/54mo
-0CB(66.14AHr)@87.5k/54mo (BBB), -1CB(53.92Ahr)@140k/29mo,
51.1AHr, SOH 80%, 150k miles

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