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Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread

Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:36 pm

Chuy1530 wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:21 pm
Either way, it isn’t something I’m doing, but I thought it was pretty common practice to use a plug (even a 120) for the car sometimes and other things other times.
The problem has two angles:

1. is the risk of a spark unless the circuit is de-energized

2. is the wear on the outlet. People have this terrible habit of wiggling plugs to pull them out, leading to poor contact over time. In the home where currents are usually a few Amps it is not ideal but rarely dangerous. 30 Amps is a different animal altogether.

The right approach to electrical safety is to presume that people will do stupid shit. Don't set them up for failure at 30 Amps.
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Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread

Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:39 pm

It all depends on the receptacle, since that is what usually wears out first. There are different quality levels of parts out there so it's hard to generalize too much but according to the article listed below, for UL approval a standard receptacle is tested after a few hundred insertion cycles, so that might be indication of the design specs used for them. Common sense dictates that any receptacle will eventually wear out but whether that is after 101 cycles or 100,000 cycles is impossible to say. However, if some engineer wants to spend an extra $0.02 to make the receptacle last 100,000 cycles vs 1000 cycles the idea will probably be shot down by the accounting dept.

https://iaeimagazine.org/features/a-jou ... ceptacles/

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Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread

Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:12 pm

That makes sense. I’ve got an engineering background so I get what you’re saying about it not being designed to cycle forever. The 120 I’m using is only used for this and I don’t unplug the EVSE from the wall luckily.

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Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread

Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:08 am

Chuy1530 wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:21 pm
I didn’t know that was a problem. It seemed like a lot of people were just unplugging their dryer to charge their car and then switching it back after. Is that really a concern?

Either way, it isn’t something I’m doing, but I thought it was pretty common practice to use a plug (even a 120) for the car sometimes and other things other times.
Its a bad idea. The outlet will wear out and eventually cause high resistance leading to failure or arcing. In the US alone, it happens a million times a day w/o problems but also happens a few times a day resulting in fire.

A Y adapter is $60 and means never unplugging anything.
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Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread

Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:27 am

It’s moot for me anyway since I’ve confirmed my dryer just plugs into a normal outlet and I’m using a dedicated 120 for my EVSE, but I would think the amp draw from having a Y hooked to your EVSE and dryer would be a concern too.

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Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread

Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:22 pm

Chuy1530 wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:27 am
It’s moot for me anyway since I’ve confirmed my dryer just plugs into a normal outlet and I’m using a dedicated 120 for my EVSE, but I would think the amp draw from having a Y hooked to your EVSE and dryer would be a concern too.
LOL!!! They ARE NOT TO BE USED CONCURRENTLY!
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Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread

Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:35 am

Ah, now convince my wife to remember to follow that rule! I can’t even get her to not run the dishwasher when I’m in the shower...

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Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread

Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:33 am

I took possession of my 2018 Leaf at the end of 2020.

The plan had been to FIRST have a local electrician extend the 230V 30A circuit from the laundry area of the garage to a point over the garage door, THEN buy a United Chargers Grizzl-E (with the DIP switch factory set to max out at the 24A rate), and THEN take delivery on the car.

But my sagging old rust-bucket of a 1998 Camry was failing fast, and before the electrician could get to me, I had to take it out of service and get a rental by mid-December. And (although I didn't know it yet) the Edison rebate program was set to end at the end of the year.

So the new power socket didn't get installed until Christmas Eve. I put in the order for the Grizzl-E as soon as I had a power socket, but it took 2 weeks to arrive.

I showed up at the Nissan dealership where the neighbors' kid is a service writer, looking for a 2017 with a CD player. They had a 2018 with a CD (something I didn't think even existed!) in inventory, and it was even in my preferred color.

I took delivery on it while still waiting for the Grizzl-E, and spent a week charging it in Level 1 mode, with the portable charging unit.

The Grizzl-E looked good on paper, and it's even better in real life: the plug-hook is a separate piece, so I can run the cable out to the driveway with the unit mounted inside the garage; no front-panel controls to accidentally bump; no smartphone interface that could be hacked. A monument to the KISS principle.

It's nice to drive something with some pick-up, for a change. But there's still that puzzling pop-up that shows up on the display screen for a few seconds at power-up, just after the splash-screen.

I will note that this actually isn't the first electric vehicle I've driven. Just the first that didn't cut ice. (The 550 was Zamboni's first production electric model, powered by two big Exide Loadhog forklift batteries. If the batteries were over about a year old, a charge was good for one ice cut. And neither of the two I drove had nearly as fancy a paint job as the one shown on the link)
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Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread

Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:11 pm

We just took possession of a 2021 Nissan Leaf SV Plus with the larger 62Kwh battery. We are loving it! We returned the 2018 40Kwh SV which was up on its lease..

The 200+ mile range makes it a decent day tripper in a 400 mile radius....certainly expands the day tripping horizon from the smaller 40/30/24Kwh batteries...

This is our 4th Nissan Leaf in the family. We started leasing from 2013 model (24Kwh), then had a 2016 (30Kwh), then a 2018 (40Kwh) and now a 2021 (62Kwh)...our local dealership has been leasing us the SV models at the same price point from 2013, so when they offer to simply swap out the lease end with a new larger battery, the offer is irresistible..each time...

The leases have averaged us about $350/month for 15,000 miles/year with $0 down, either through state subsidies, or direct $0 down offer from dealer...

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Makes me a loyal Nissan customer, I guess 8-)
1st Leaf : 2013 SV (2013-2016) acquired - Feb 2013
2nd : 2016 SV (2016-?) acquired - Jan 2016
3rd : 2015 SV (2016-2018) - acquired - Jun 2016
4th : 2018 SV (2018-2021) acquired - Jun 2018
5th : 2021 SV Plus (2021-?) acquired - Apr 2021

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