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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:53 pm

The solar cell on the charge port cover is actually a very good idea - if it's wired directly (with blocking diode) to the 12 volt battery.
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:08 pm

That's cool how how he is using the Leaf as a learning lab before he gets a Tesla. I like foot controlled braking light. After I lost my 4th SOH bar did some back to back DC charges at Walmart to learn about the battery cooling issues first hand before getting the new battery. I don't plan to do any DC charges on the new battery after what I learned.

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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Thu May 07, 2020 6:54 pm

Price discounts for the Leaf in Germany

https://www.google.com/amp/s/de.motor1. ... inken/amp/
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:36 pm

From viewtopic.php?p=584774#p584774, it's clear in the US the Bolt's dusting the Leaf in sales. Bolt sales were about triple that of Leaf despite the $1875 tax credit on Bolts. I wonder what happened? Price/incentives? Supply? Lease prices? 40 vs. 62 kWh confusion? Slightly extra range on Bolt was enough to push people over to that? CCS? Did GM make a lot of fleet sales?

I don't have US Tesla numbers, but it's likely that they're an order of magnitude higher than US Leaf numbers.

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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:28 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:36 pm
From viewtopic.php?p=584774#p584774, it's clear in the US the Bolt's dusting the Leaf in sales. Bolt sales were about triple that of Leaf despite the $1875 tax credit on Bolts. I wonder what happened? Price/incentives? Supply? Lease prices? 40 vs. 62 kWh confusion? Slightly extra range on Bolt was enough to push people over to that? CCS? Did GM make a lot of fleet sales?

I don't have US Tesla numbers, but it's likely that they're an order of magnitude higher than US Leaf numbers.
It seems from some news the Leaf is one of many Nissan lines going away at least in the USA and move to trying to sell the new $40K+ 2 motor EV. Bottom line we just do now know how many lines Nissan must cut to hope to save the USA market share. Seems the vans (big seller in our area) are going away. I expect it will be 2025 before we know what the remains of Nissan will look like because the 20% down sizing of Nissan in 2018 did not stop its down hill slide.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/33932/ni ... -america

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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:44 am

cwerdna wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:36 pm
From viewtopic.php?p=584774#p584774, it's clear in the US the Bolt's dusting the Leaf in sales. Bolt sales were about triple that of Leaf despite the $1875 tax credit on Bolts. I wonder what happened? Price/incentives? Supply? Lease prices? 40 vs. 62 kWh confusion? Slightly extra range on Bolt was enough to push people over to that? CCS? Did GM make a lot of fleet sales?
I think it was a combination of incentives plus $1875 tax credit and increased range. I think some people were able to get it for $22-23k before the tax credit. I was thinking of buying one too, but it doesn't have adaptive cruise control.
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Wed Jun 10, 2020 6:00 am

cwerdna wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:36 pm
From viewtopic.php?p=584774#p584774, it's clear in the US the Bolt's dusting the Leaf in sales. Bolt sales were about triple that of Leaf despite the $1875 tax credit on Bolts. I wonder what happened? Price/incentives? Supply? Lease prices? 40 vs. 62 kWh confusion? Slightly extra range on Bolt was enough to push people over to that? CCS? Did GM make a lot of fleet sales?

I don't have US Tesla numbers, but it's likely that they're an order of magnitude higher than US Leaf numbers.
Its a combination of huge Bolt discounts (ignore incentives and MSRP, the actual selling price between the two cars are very close) that are well publicized and LEAF discounts on Plus that is not. Right now, Nissan is all but giving away 2019's (halfway thru 2020!) and a lot people who are interested in getting EVs are simply not buying the discounts. They think its a scam.

I know someone who got a Bolt 2 weeks ago for what would have been about $1,000 more than a 2019 LEAF SV plus and has less features. I asked him why and she stated "I don't want to waste my time at the dealer haggling over the price"

IOW; she thought the advertised price was a bait and switch tactic. I also know someone who got nearly the very same car (theirs has tech package which hers did not) for $28,000 which is effectively under $20,000 after fed discount and WA state incentives are taken into account.
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:52 pm

^^^
Interesting...

At the same time, the 2019 and 2020 Bolt (esp. the latter) have a bit more range than the 62 kWh Leaf: https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?act ... 6&id=40520. Maybe that's another thing pushing them towards Bolt along w/battery thermal management?

You're right about Bolt discounting publicity. I've heard of basically 0 for Leaf and Leaf Plus in that dept.

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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:28 pm

It's is the same around here, I have 41 Bolt's, starting at $27,200 and 3 Plus's starting at $39,256. We have 1 Chademo within 100 miles and 12 CCS's. I am seriously looking at the Prius Prime, Bolt or model 3. If we have to run to Minneapolis (son at school) and back a bunch (600 mile round trip), this a 15 min refuel stop with the Prime, 75 minutes with the Model 3 and 2 hours and 30 minutes with a Bolt, the Leaf isn't an option, well it is if I run through Custer adding about 60 miles to the drive as well as the 2 hours and 30 minutes charging. I just wish I knew how much we will really be driving this.
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:44 pm

^^^
interesting again... If those are really going prices, then a Leaf Plus is a really tough sell even w/the $7500 Federal tax credit vs. $0 now for GM cars as the Bolt would still be cheaper. And, yeah, if the DC FC situation is like that (maybe due to Electrify America stacking the deck), then Leafs are even a tougher sell, assuming folks realize it and know the difference in charging standards.

I can't speak to your possible charging pitstop locations, but w/the Bolt, best to only start charging at low SoC and cut off charging either once you start tapering below either ~54 kW (55 kW is max) or ~37 kW. The 2020 Bolt's charging drop offs apparently much more gradual than the sharp drops in ones before 2020. Sharp drop off examples at https://electricrevs.com/2018/07/17/wat ... -to-55-kw/. I can tell you my '19 has those sharp drops.

I believe News Coloumb suggests taking off once you taper below 37 kW. That probably is a good trade off due to the overhead to divert to a charger and back to your route, park, authenticate, plug in, unplug, etc.

Most recent time I used a DC FC (thanks to free Drive The Arc charging), I wasn't in a hurry and cut it off a bit after my Bolt was down to 17 kW rate.

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