salyavin
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:08 pm

Like Gary I found the cargo room of the Bolt to not be great so we wrote it off just that reason disqualified it. Also like Gary one of the things I don't care for about the Tesla is the lack of switches and knobs for things like climate control or climate control, the reason I dislike this is I have to look away from the road to figure out what the touch screens says to play with it. You may counter saying voice controls but I have found those imperfect as of yet plus when you have screaming kids or whatever it can be less than ideal. The lack of a TMS for the battery is disappointing but things do seem to not be so bad here in Colorado for a LEAF. I think the niceties like heated steering wheel, seats or pro pilot assist were lacking on some. The build quality of the LEAF seems higher than a Tesla. In Colorado Xcel had additional rebates for the Leaf and Outlander (ONLY) so we got more discounts than any other EV. Arizona is a different story of course.

Things I don't like about the LEAF is that darn bump in the floor at the middle of the rear seat, I feel the front seats are a little more narrow than say a prius some of that is the design of the center console area I think. That bump is the most annoying even though I only made use of the middle rear seat maybe 4 times and will not do so again any time soon. What I have not done is look at the Korean offerings yet which I really need to do, looks like we may have a lot more choice coming in the pipeline which is what I always wanted.

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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:36 pm

Gerry, do you find that efficiency is much different between ecopia and the Michelin’s? What don't you like about the Michelin’s?

The one great use I have found for the rear hump is that it is a perfect size for a small cooler. When we took a road trip for a college visit. (Me and my 3 kids) we put the cooler there for drinks and it was very accessible for everyone. Wife got a couple days off from the kids.
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:44 pm

You may counter saying voice controls but I have found those imperfect as of yet plus when you have screaming kids or whatever it can be less than ideal.
"If you kids don't shut up, I'm going to run this car right into that bridge!!!

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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:01 am

cwerdna wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:42 pm
It's possible I had a complete brain fart re: my test drive of a pre-production '18 Leaf and its mirror. The car was fully loaded though (w/Pro-Pilot Assist and AVM). But, it's also possible those vehicles were not necessarily representative of what Nissan USA eventually offered for sale.
FWIW, I wrote at https://www.tivocommunity.com/community ... t-11850220 (you'll need a free account there to see my post) at end of Aug 2019:
"Ditto with my '19 Bolt Premier's LCD/mirror when in monitor mode.

I first experienced on a test drive of a Bolt years ago but also the '18+ Leaf could have it as an option. I test drove a pre-production '18 Leaf before they were for sale in the US with it, as well."

In Nov 2017, at https://www.tivocommunity.com/community ... t-11358678 (also need a TCF account), I also wrote about the JDM Leaf I saw at https://www3.nissan.co.jp/crossing/en.html which was also equipped w/such a mirror.

So, it seems something changed between what was decided for pre-production units for test drives and EVents vs. what went on sale. Back then, Nissan had a thing where in certain regions, they would bring you a pre-production '18 Leaf to test drive accompanied for up to an hour.

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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:18 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:36 pm
Gerry, do you find that efficiency is much different between ecopia and the Michelin’s? What don't you like about the Michelin’s?

The one great use I have found for the rear hump is that it is a perfect size for a small cooler. When we took a road trip for a college visit. (Me and my 3 kids) we put the cooler there for drinks and it was very accessible for everyone. Wife got a couple days off from the kids.
I bought Ecopia Plus (215/55 R17 size from Discount Tire) as the last set of tires for the 2015 and they were better efficiency, much better traction (both wet and dry braking), better handling (cornering and stability in cross wind), and longer tread life than the OEM Michelins. Michelin makes good tires, but the Energy Saver A/S OEMs that come on the Leafs are marginal (I consider them the worst radial tires I have driven on). I had a set of sport performance Michelins on the 2011 that I liked, but they dropped the range compared to the OEM Ecopias and, like most Michelin passenger car tires in my climate, sidewalls were starting to show weather cracking by the time of the accident. I use Michelin sport performance motorcycle tires and have never seen premature cracking on them. One thing I found with the Ecopias (both OEM on 2011 and replacement tires on 2015) is that wet braking traction is terrible at 36 psi and great at 44 psi. I believe that 36 is too soft for the weight of the Leaf so the tires distort under braking forces and water builds up under the tread.

I plan to attach a small box or cooler to the rigid plastic cover over the battery disconnect for accessible storage that will stay in place. The LEAFs are the only front wheel drive cars I have ever owned so the hump seems normal to me.
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:31 am

I plan to attach a small box or cooler to the rigid plastic cover over the battery disconnect for accessible storage that will stay in place.

Good idea, but make sure it has an obvious quick disconnect for emergency personnel to use to get to the HV disconnect. Just Velcro tape on the sides of the box/cooler, running down the sides of the disconnect hump, might suffice.
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salyavin
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:33 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:44 pm
You may counter saying voice controls but I have found those imperfect as of yet plus when you have screaming kids or whatever it can be less than ideal.
"If you kids don't shut up, I'm going to run this car right into that bridge!!!

"Auto-Pilot engaged. To cancel Auto-Pilot, select "Cancel" from the Auto-Pilot sub-menu. Bridge impact in 5,4,3,..."
That's great, thanks LeftieBiker. I actually do have two little ones too the little boy likes to make google make fart noises.

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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:55 am

cwerdna wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:42 pm
It's possible I had a complete brain fart re: my test drive of a pre-production '18 Leaf and its mirror. The car was fully loaded though (w/Pro-Pilot Assist and AVM). But, it's also possible those vehicles were not necessarily representative of what Nissan USA eventually offered for sale.
I did the Las Vegas intro drive and there was no mirror camera view but I have to agree that I have used them in the past and it is not an easy thing to get used to.
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:59 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:36 pm
Gerry, do you find that efficiency is much different between ecopia and the Michelin’s? What don't you like about the Michelin’s?

The one great use I have found for the rear hump is that it is a perfect size for a small cooler. When we took a road trip for a college visit. (Me and my 3 kids) we put the cooler there for drinks and it was very accessible for everyone. Wife got a couple days off from the kids.
On the tire question; I have seen several flip to Michelin's due to a perceived better wet road handling but with a loss of range. The range you lose appears to be highly dependent on your driving OR... the people I talked to didn't pay enough attention to the difference to notice.

But everyone who went to Michelins say they wear out faster than their OEMs did. I originally thought the reason was simply older, more used suspension system but maybe not?
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:27 am

I have found the opposite to be true, I have gone through 3 sets of Ecopia's, lasting 14,100, 13,900 (on VW Jetta wagon) and 11,900 I thought the first set was just they were not "plus", the second set of plus's were from a random local dealer and the third set was from Tire Rack, 3 times shame on me. Then I went to Michelin Energy Savers that went 23,555, and the last set is Michelin Defenders with 33,800 but are close to done.

I had an alignment done with each new set (none were outside spec) and rotated at 5k. Tires (and alignments) were the most expensive part of this car per mile before we hit 70k, now with the Defenders just finally being less than the juice to move it :)

The best miles to kWh were the stock non-plus's with a close second Michelin energy savers. The lowest are not surprisingly the Defenders, not the Michelin x-ice's I run all winter.
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