So it would be cheaper to pull the dual format station entirely and not repair and replace with shiny CCS only? Hmmm? I guess I will have to rely on EA since they don't control their own destiny.Rebel44 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:20 amAFAIK dual-standard chargers need a bit more electronics (and an extra cable) and CCS only versions of chargers are cheaper (at least here in central Europe). And compared to newer EVs, most Leafs are less likely (due to both lower range and slower DC charging) to travel long distances - so I expect the % of DC charging sessions by Leafs to go down relatively quickly over the next few years. IMO, keeping current Leafs driving as long as possible is good, but I don't see why informed buyers would buy new Leaf (especially in places where dealers don't offer discounts and Leaf costs almost as much as Model 3) until Nissan switches them to CCS.DaveinOlyWA wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:00 amUnless there is a significant cost to having an extra cable of a different type, I don't see this happening. My LEAF is likely to be on the road another decade with me driving most of that decade. The question now becomes what is cheaper? Redesigning stations to only have one CCS cable or just stay the same and leave one side unconnected.Rebel44 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:57 amSince Nissan Ariya will be using CCS for DC charging outside of the Japanese market, to me it looks like a confirmation that Chademo is likely to die in a few years - not many new Chademo stations are likely to be built in the future outside of Japan and current ones will gradually be retired when they need expensive maintenance or repair - especially those that are not used enough to justify operating expenses.
Since Chademo EVs will be around for a long time yet, I don't see it as being a big money saver when you are cutting out a large chunk of your possible customers.
Try 3 then 4. That is what I am curious to see. Not sure you can drive far enough in Norway though but Doug probably can. 3 hit the first lower red bar and it maxed at 19.5 and 4th almost 2nd also maxed at 19.5 all that red is disturbing. This is summer though winter may be different. 2 has always been fine for me, I have done that many times. Outside temp may be quite relevant and as as speed being driven, air conditioner usage etc causing higher draw. A bolt and a Kia do not have that problem. Good news for me is Ariya also looks to have solved it so Nissan at least has the tech, would be nice if they backported it to a LEAF (smaller car) as well.DougWantsALeaf wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:41 pmBjorn just posted some new videos on the Leaf Plus. He was able to drive 350km fast charge on a 200 amp charger (first 200 amp chademo in Norway), then driver another 350+ KM and then do a 50kW fast charge without hitting rapid gate(total distance over 650km). Outside temps were about 20C.
This seems to reflect the experience those of us in the northern parts of the US experience with the Plus.
DougWantsALeaf wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:24 amThe good news is I don't think anything changes in the US for about 2 years. Post 2022, I do think that new Chademo's will slow down (remember there are still Chademos added in the US every day right now), and post 2023, will start on the decline. I think beyond 2025 it gets difficult again to travel on Chademo cross country.
So take your road trips now.
10 years? I think you've added a few years.
I am willing to bet you won't have to start worrying about it in this decade.DougWantsALeaf wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:24 amThe good news is I don't think anything changes in the US for about 2 years. Post 2022, I do think that new Chademo's will slow down (remember there are still Chademos added in the US every day right now), and post 2023, will start on the decline. I think beyond 2025 it gets difficult again to travel on Chademo cross country.
So take your road trips now.