cdherman
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I have 2016 SV with 30kwh battery. Now in 2017, they all will be that way. The 96 month, 100k miles warranty to retain 9 bars is certainly a great improvement, at least at first blush. But I've been bothered and have tried reading every 30kwh thread out there to no avail to answer this question:
How do we know what "9 bars" will mean for the 30kwh pack? For all we know, the new 30kwh pack could have capacity bars that are 15-15-15-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6 There is evidence out there that the original 15-6.25-6.25 etc got changed during a software update to something more beneficial to Nissan. 4th bars are dropping at SOH numbers below 66% for most people.
This discussion my Mark Larson supports that: http://www.casteyanqui.com/ev/capacity_2016_30kwh/
Don't get me wrong. I am LOVING the 2016 with 30kwh pack. Perhaps that's because I was driving a 2012 that was down to 77%, with a slow charger and very inefficient heater. But the 30wkh pack makes the Leaf so much more forgiving. Now, its only the rare destination that you even bother to care.... Most of the time, you just drive, plug it in when remaining charge is under 50% or so.
Second question/observation on a similar bent: I babied the 2012. Never charged to 100%, bare minimum QCs, and drove at or below speed limit. What thanks did I get? Well at 4 years from purchase, I still had 77% capacity and no replacement battery was in sight. So I sold it at a very large depreciation. Battery was too good, and at the same time, not good enough......
Now, I ask myself how to behave with the the 2016 30kwh..... Baby it? Avoid 100% charges? Set the timers to charge for 120 min each night, which about balances my daily use, then pay attention to charge extra on days with extended drives. Hassle myself constantly, changing the timers to avoid the dreaded 100% charge that is not used immediately.........
And find myself in 2024 with an 8 year old, 70% capacity battery someday, asking myself again, why exactly did I go to all that effort to save Nissan the cost of a replacement battery.......
So I am now charging to 100% at every charge. And I drive 5 mph over the speed limit like I used to. And I have given up my ear muffs and driving gloves -- I keep it a toasty 72F in the cab. And when the windows fog over, I use the defrost (with 2012, I would open windows and play freeze out till the windows were clear.) Gosh. Feels like I am driving a modern car again...
My only fear is that I will discover too late that Nissan is NOT going to stand behind that battery staying at 67% or better....
How do we know what "9 bars" will mean for the 30kwh pack? For all we know, the new 30kwh pack could have capacity bars that are 15-15-15-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6 There is evidence out there that the original 15-6.25-6.25 etc got changed during a software update to something more beneficial to Nissan. 4th bars are dropping at SOH numbers below 66% for most people.
This discussion my Mark Larson supports that: http://www.casteyanqui.com/ev/capacity_2016_30kwh/
Don't get me wrong. I am LOVING the 2016 with 30kwh pack. Perhaps that's because I was driving a 2012 that was down to 77%, with a slow charger and very inefficient heater. But the 30wkh pack makes the Leaf so much more forgiving. Now, its only the rare destination that you even bother to care.... Most of the time, you just drive, plug it in when remaining charge is under 50% or so.
Second question/observation on a similar bent: I babied the 2012. Never charged to 100%, bare minimum QCs, and drove at or below speed limit. What thanks did I get? Well at 4 years from purchase, I still had 77% capacity and no replacement battery was in sight. So I sold it at a very large depreciation. Battery was too good, and at the same time, not good enough......
Now, I ask myself how to behave with the the 2016 30kwh..... Baby it? Avoid 100% charges? Set the timers to charge for 120 min each night, which about balances my daily use, then pay attention to charge extra on days with extended drives. Hassle myself constantly, changing the timers to avoid the dreaded 100% charge that is not used immediately.........
And find myself in 2024 with an 8 year old, 70% capacity battery someday, asking myself again, why exactly did I go to all that effort to save Nissan the cost of a replacement battery.......
So I am now charging to 100% at every charge. And I drive 5 mph over the speed limit like I used to. And I have given up my ear muffs and driving gloves -- I keep it a toasty 72F in the cab. And when the windows fog over, I use the defrost (with 2012, I would open windows and play freeze out till the windows were clear.) Gosh. Feels like I am driving a modern car again...
My only fear is that I will discover too late that Nissan is NOT going to stand behind that battery staying at 67% or better....